Pac and May vs the ESB top ten welters

assuming mayweather is as good as i think he is (and we'll probably never know)...

he gives napoles, gavilan, griffith and rodriguez great fights, only one who beats him for certain is napoles. i think hearns would connect and i doubt that mayweather would be able to take it... robinson would terrorise him. armstrong would be too active. i'd like to see the leonard fight the most, and i think mayweather has a good chance here. don't want to go into more detail because it's all so hypothetical...

 

What chance does Floyd possibly have against Leonard (among others)? That just doesn't make sense to me.

 

i see a close fight with a great deal of accuracy from both fighters, with mayweather being affected more by the cumulative beating. maybe a late stoppage, but an intriguing watch the whole while.

this is all so hypothetical, as all the fighters on the list have such greater resumes than mayweather, so to make this interesting at all, i'm assuming mayweather could raise his game should he be pitted against someone of a higher caliber. if i were doing this based on what they've shown they can do (relative to opposition faced), i'd have to say mayweather loses to all ten convincingly.

 

ohoho, i have no idea how hearns or robinson would cope with pacquiao's MODERN DAY TRAINING TECHNIQUES of hitting the heavy bag, sparring, jumping rope, and doing calisthenics. they would be ****ed.

 

What's your point? Mine was that he completely outboxed Pacquiao at times in their bouts, and i believe Pac's technical improvements since thos fights that everybody has pre-cum because of to be vastly exaggerated. Therefore, if flat footed Marquez can do it then beatifully smooth footed Napoles can do it.

I agree Marciano and the likes were flat footed, what do they have to do with this? Hahaha, you're implying that i'm the kind of guy that writes off modern greats, do your homework, terrible post son, terrible.

Here's something for you to learn- styles match up.

And my post was simply a devils advocate to what el buja was pre-empting to come from Pacquiao's legion of trolls. Peace

 

I agree. These are the best welters to ever breathe though, we must understand this.

 

Yeah, also if they were breathing modern day oxygen they might not handle it too well.

 

Yezzir.

 

you didn't get my point at all

To say "Marquez outboxed Pacquiao, Napoles is less flat footed than Marquez, therefore Napoles can outbox Pacquiao too" is outright dumb. Boxing doesn't work that way. And that ******edness is only punctuated by the fact that Marquez never even beat Pacquiao anyways.

Once again atsch

 

Willfully ignoring the original point isn't going to win this argument. Marquez is a good/ near great technician, who gave Manny hell by boxing him. I also agree that he won neither fight. However, Pacquiao's performance in these two fights clearly implies that bigger, stronger, more fluid boxers than Marquez are likely to present him with severe problems in H2H matchups, especially above his best weight, which is probably 135 to 140. This isn't "******edness". It's pretty damned obvious.

Beating Mayweather convincingly before he turns 40 will help his cause somewhat. It would prove that he can beat a (now) welterweight with historically great defensive abilities. Then again, Floyd has done very, very little to earn serious ATG recognition at welterweight, so even this accomplishment would have its detractors. That's just the nature of the game.

 

that is a false conclusion as it implies that Marquez' success was due to his size, strength and fluidity, and not other attributes of his like his pinpoint and unbelievably sharp combinations, the way he holds his guard, his understanding of Pacquiao's movement, his ability to let his hands go at opportune times, and other details of his style.

Therefore a bigger, stronger, more fluid fighter than Marquez just might get KTFO by a bigger, stronger version of Pacquiao than the one Marquez faced, because the styles just might match up completely differently.

the argument you guys are making was weak as all hell to begin with.

I've got no problem with someone thinking Locche beats Pac, but your reasons are just foolish.

 

What the **** are you talking about?

 

And you aren't reading my posts properly or getting the jist of them. I have told you clearly that my post was a simple devil's advocate post in response to what El Buja was expecting to come from idiotic posters.

So once again, terrible post.:good