Pac & Catchweight and a comparison of Floyd

I've only had a problem with Manny's catchweight demands once.....and that's the recent one with Margarito. 150 is fair to ask only if it's for a non-title fight.

As for his previous ones:

Oscar - Tell me, who at the time was against Pac (135 fighter) asking the much bigger Oscar (154) to meet him at 147? Exactly, noone! Pac goes up two divisions whilst Oscar was asked to come down one, and the general consensus (from experts and fans) was that Oscar would smash him to pieces.

Cotto - Unlike the Oscar fight, Manny (again a natural 135/140 fighter) was facing a 147 guy who was not shot; therefore he was still untested at this weight. Asking Cotto to meet him at 145 was not unreasonable, especially considering how Cotto coming down 2 pounds played no part in the end result. However like I've mentioned above, the only thing wrong with this demand was that it included a Weltwerweight title. That's it.

(Apologies for the typing errors and constant corrections)

 

at the end of the day its down to individual opinions....

obviously most of the opinions supporting pac are wrong... but its opinions

 

This. :deal

 

Thanks Anthony, I've just corrected that mistake (as well as others).

 

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At this point, "catch-weight" and Manny go hand in hand. However, what makes me shake my head is that Manny is even bothering to face Margarito when he could face the likes of Williams and Martinez at 154. Even Angulo deserves a fight at 154 than Margarito.

I would rather see a fight with Alexander and or Bradley at 147 than Margarito.

I just can't get it out of my head that Shane Mosley utterly destroyed Margarito already so why even bother?
Of course, Manny was also the same guy that avoided Shane because he was 'too good" so maybe it's fair since Margarito was knocked out by someone that even Manny was scared to fight.

 

funnily enough they weighed vboth the same at 16

pac has been more impressive because he has stopped his opponents.

obviously floyd is the mre technical fighter but if he had been more agressive he would have stopped alot more of his aswel.

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I'd honestly have to say Pac. Floyd's progression through these divisions and how he's finally ended up at welterweight, has been natural (less of Pacroid jokes please). You'll notice this in how he looks now, a big strong 147 fighter.

Pac on the other hand, has been forcing himself to fight above 140. He doesn't really belong up there.

 

I have a problem with a fighter fighting for a title and asking for a catchweight. If pac does this with margarito and wins that would be the 2nd belt he has won at a catchweight in two different weightclasses.

 

Pacquiao has been the more impressive...even in the Clottey bout, you can tell he is not a full blown Welterweight...but with one or two more bouts at the higher weights he will start to fit well into 147lbs.

Mayweather has come up a lot more steadily (apart from the De la Hoya bout)...and now after his "retirement" is he starting to look like a full blown Welter.

 

Cotto was not the same fighter anymore. He was brutally beaten down and KO'd by Mr. Plaster. He wasn't going to be the same. That's why Manny took the fight against Paper Belt Cotto instead of Shane Mosley.
If 2 pounds didn't matter, then why even bother with it?
It does matter because mentally, like Roach said on why he does it, it is to get the fighter that needs to make weight thinking about it all through camp instead of focusing on what he has to do to win. All he is doing now is focusing more on making weight, fighting his weight, instead of the opponent, which would be Pac.

Oscar: Oscar hadn't made 147 in a long time. Roach pointed out historical fights that fighters who made the decision to come back down in weight didn't do it successfully. Three right off the top which I saw were recent fights like, Jones vs. Tarver; Tarver vs. Hopkins (since Tarver increased his muscle weight for the movie and then had to quickly drop back down); and of course, Chris Byrd vs. Shaun George. And many others he mentioned.


With Oscar and Pac, Pac blows up in weight by fight-time so his fight-time weight had been around 145+ for his fight against Diaz. Oscar actually showed up on fight-night around 147. That's crazy. Of course, who knew Oscar was going to kill himself that much.

Forget what people were saying because people say a lot of things. Most forget their history. And most aren't on the inside seeing what is going on with a fighter. Nobody on the outside could have known Oscar was going to diet down so much and kill his body. Usually you drain yourself for the scales to make weight, say, 147 pounds on the scale, then you blow back up in weight 10+ pounds after rehydrating. Oscar did not do this. His body was not capable of doing it. He was walking around at 147. I don't even think the Prime version of Oscar when he fought Tito and Shane was 147 on fight-night. And even if he was, that was years ago. On top of it all, he wasn't impressive in his previous fight...except for possibly his use of the jab.

 

If I remember rightly...it was Oscar who said he could make 147lbs, Pacquiao didn't ask for a catchweight...and 147lbs isn't a catchweight anyway.