Pac Declares War with Marquez!!!!

I've said it all along that unless JMM fought Pac when Marquez was showing clear and sufficient vulnerablilites in his fights, there will be absolutely no excuses for a JMM loss to Pac.

Now does this mean that JMM is in his prime?.....no it does'nt. But the version of JMM we have seen recently imo is still a top 5 p4p fighter (imo he's 2nd next right behind Mayweather Jr.)

I will say this without hesitation.....a victory for Pac over JMM is legit.
A victory in March over JMM would imo be Pac's biggest achievement!


If JMM loses to Manny Pacquiao, I'm on record as saying right now I dont want to hear any excuses that JMM was past prime.
This is JMM's moment to shine.....and if by chance hee is'nt able to rise to the occasion on the stage of the biggest defining moment of his career......then its too bad, its on JMM!

......my bet is that JMM will rise to the occasion and propinate a schooling that will have the most hardened Pac hardcores near tears!!!!:deal

Cut and paste that my friends! :bbb

 

You know, I just read some comments by Nacho Beristein that notes that he thinks JMM is a more complete fighter now than he was when he drew with Pac.....
.....Nacho goes on to say that Freddie Roach has done some good work in honing Manny Pacquiao, complimenting them on being a good match (fighter and trainer)

.....but Nacho also went to say that JMM's fight with Pacquiao ....to put it in Nacho's axact words...it will be against "a Pacquiao who is less difficult!"

Nacho goes on to state that Pacquiao recently is fighting more within himself, more conventional and less wild and reckless.

Nacho stated that a wild and reckless Pacquiao becomes more difficult to deal with because you dont know where his punches are coming from.




What Nacho is stating makes alot of sense......a more conventional fighter who throws his shots properly becomes easier to time and counter which is what JMM does best.

We have seen that Pac recently has become less devestating in his newfound controlled form of boxing...........
......now to put that newfound style into practive against what may be the best technical fighter in the game is something that most likely is'nt going to result in a positive for Pac.

I say his best chance is to be the old Pac and just come out gunning for a KO.....the most likely outcome in that scenario is a repeat schooling, but at least in that circumstance he has a punchers chance.


What do you all think, in what style do you see Pac having the best chance?

 

It also depends on what JMM will do. If he stands his gorund the way he did against MAB, he'll be a much easier target. This will be suicide for JMM.


If he tries to wait and counterpunch then Pac surely has to revert back to seek and destroy approach. This is his best chance of winning as JMM is the superior boxer and counterpuncher.

But whatever the case...

Pac by decision.

 

this is a very good post! :good

 

You raise a good point, because the wild and reckless routine circa the first fight certainly gave Marquez fits early on, otherwise he wouldn't have been on his ass 3 times. However, Marquez - being the excellent techincal fighter he is, with loads of heart - kept going and adapted, effectively dominating the fight from then on. The problem for Pac was, he couldn't adapt like Marquez had, and kept persisting with the same game plan, rush forward and throw the 1-2.

Now, with Pac being a more reserved, well-rounded fighter, he is more versatile. I think he will come out hard, though definately not as hard as the first fight, but he will want to pressure Marquez from the opening bell. Pac still has the power, there is no doubt about it. Don't let the Barrera fight fool you. Despite being past it, iron-jawed Morales crumbled under Pac's attack. It seems to me that Pac's power may not be as devastating at 130 as it WAS, but he is much for effective with his new style at breaking down his opponent, as opposed to throwing every punch with knockout intentions.

As I was saying, Pac will pressure him from the opening bell, but won't be wreckless in his attack. He is better defensively now, won't leave himself wide open coming in for the counter. I just see Pac being too much for JMM, and taking a very comfortable UD, possibly with a knockdown. To answer your question: The old style of Pacquiao had the greater chance to score an early KO, the new style gives Pac the greater chance of winning by late (accumulative damage) knockout, or decision.

 

Are you aware there are other boxers in the world?

Honest question.

 

yep,.. (i know divac,though sometimes he crosses the line of too much bias for jmm)

 

Yes but PAc is already number two (#1 in some) anything below doesnt interest me. I have high taste

 

i'll gladly save this quote for everyone to see after the jmm-pac 2 fight:you can have my word, divac. :thumbsup

 

this letter by pac certifies that he is no dumb fighter: i guess haters judge by the looks only, only to prove that they are waaaay dumber.:-(

 

looks like pac is back on my favorites list. i dropped him when i heard he was fighting diaz. thanks for the article pacd. after reading it i am an even bigger fan of pac. the guy tells it like it is and he knows he is fighting at a level that does not guarantee him a win. after their first fight i thought they were 2 very evenly matched fighters with different styles and i still feel the same way. if pac wins because juan is old or juan wins because pac lacks focus does not matter, it is what it is and they both feel they can win so no excuses. i think this fight should be great because its 2 fighters in the top 4 or 5 so this level of competition cant be found in any other weight division. i am a huge fan of both men and i feel whoever wins deserves all the credit. both men have earned their respect the right way so some of you posters should ease up on the hating regardless of which fighter you support. im just happy these guys finally put all the bull**** aside and decided to settle it like the greats used to do.

 

Would you do me a favor and also bring it out for all to see when JMM does as I said he would?????

I just hate tooting my own horn!

 

How about an avatar bet for all PAC and JMM fans?

 

You have to read Nacho's comments carefully......the exact words were less difficult......


........and for those that point to what Pac did recently with his fine boxing against MAB....you also have to look who he did that against.

.....he did it against a fighter who was already mentally psyched out from having suffered a beating at his hands previously.

....and really....look and compare at what transpired in both of those MAB fights for Manny Pac.....which Pac was more impressive and effective?

MAB was never really in the fight against Pac when they first met.....basically after the 1st or 2nd round, Pac took over and dominated with his aggressive style of non-stop punches, many of which came from wierd angles.

You look at the 2nd fight, and MAB was actually in the fight through the first 6 rounds (I had it 3 rounds a piece, before Pac's youth took over and MAB could'nt keep with the pace)

.....but make no mistake, the nonstop punching of Pac that threw caution to the wind and came at you relentless had MAB clueless as to what to do.
Where MAB could'nt handle the combination of speed, quickness and power by Pac, he at least did that and was competitive through 6 rounds against the more controlled version of Pac.


I mentioned this in other threads even before I read Nacho's comments, but I salivate at the thought that Pac will chose to try and box JMM the way he did vs MAB!

There are more dimensions to the way JMM goes about his boxing in comparison with MAB.
There is more variety to his attack.
Marquez is effective and can hurt a fighter with either hand, where as MAB is too reliant upon his left hand (the jab and hook)
....with JMM, Pac will have too look out for both the left and the right.

A more controlled attack is going to open up more avenues of attack for JMM.....and unlike Pac, he can make his adjustments on the whim, from minute to minute, from second to second.

With how the first fight went down between JMM and Pac, we basically saw JMM school Pac busting him with the right hand over Pac's left.
....over and over again in repeated fashion.
There was'nt much more for JMM to do, because thats the opening that Pac gave him by throwing the same two punches over and over again (right, left....right, left.....)

As Nacho has stated, Pac has a more conventional and controlled attack now.....

.....however, how will Pac adapt to the versatility of counterpunching variance that JMM will propinate??

Where in fight one, you had Pac basically getting caught with the same right hand from Pac over and over again.
When something like that happens, Pac surely was bracing himself to get stung by that shot repeatedly.

With the new Pac varying his better controlled attack, were going to see JMM punching with other shots other than the right hand he repeatedly hit Pac with the first time out......

....for those not in the know, JMM's hook to the body is a killer shot, not to mention his uppercuts coming from both hands....shots that JMM seldom threw in his first fight with Pacquiao because of Pac one dimensional attack that JMM took advantage of by throwing the one shot that was open (the fight hand over Pac left)

More variety for Pac=more variety for JMM....and who's to say that pac will be able to take JMM's thudding shots to the body and uppercuts in various forms the way he took the JMM's right hand.

When you've got Manny Pac attacking and varying his attack, it means that what is going to come at Pac from JMM in counterpunch mode is going to be less predictable also.
I would'nt suprised that with Pac trying to be more dimensional, Pac gets caught by a big rocket of an uppercut that Pac is totally not expecting......who's to say that Pac is going to take that shot he did'nt see coming like he took those right hands from JMM that he did see coming?:deal :yep


I love talking JMM-Pac!!! :bbb:hi:

 

Great analysis Divac. :good

If there was a good thing that came out of the Pacquiao-Barrera fight is that team Marquez got to this this other side of Pacquiao. Its going to be a different fight than their first encounter.

I believe that JMM will prepare for both scenarios, Pacquiao will determine which strategy Marquez will use.

The first round will be a feeling out round, adjusting for punching distance, pace, and whether or not Pacquiao is going to be a reckless machine for most of the fight, which I don't think will happen. This more reserved form of Pacquiao and going with the advises of Roach, will not engage Marquez like his old self as he knows what will happen, this is going to cause JMM to move forward, which is what I expect.

Marquez will be ready for Pac's double or triple jab, and carefully close the distance and making sure he is out of the straight left's way. His fight will ecompass all of Pac's weapons but most importantly he will wrestle with Pac's right hook, that will be his biggest challenge for half the fight. JMM will set traps, open up to right hand, and invite Pac to shoot it. Pac still has tons of holes in his defense and loses balance when he misses a shot when lunging forward. Marquez is going to make sure this right hand of Pac fails, he is going to block it, or slip it, and have his own left hand ready to return the shot. The left hook to the body and mean uppercut to head, along with switches to a straight right in between will upset Pac's plans. Marquez is going to follow up with a good flurry of punches that Pac never answers.

Pacquiao will be getting tagged too much and hesitate on his punches, specially his right hook. He will start making too many mistakes by mid rounds and eat a lot of punches. Rapidly losing confidence on his new reserved state, the pressure will do him in. By the last third of the fight, Pacquiao will have reverted to his old self, more or less. With Roach telling him to go for broke and the sense of urgency as the fight slips from his hands Pacquiao will be on Marquez like a fat kid on chocolate cake.

Now this part will be the most dangerous for both fighters, Pacquiao could get caught with a bad combination as he is moving forward that would really hurt him and lay him out, and Marquez could get caught with something dumb as Pacquiao will be as relentless as ever. But I trust that by this time Marquez will have Pacquiao's movements jot down and with Pac making too many mistakes out of desperation, JMM will falll back on his great defense and counter the rest of the way to victory. :thumbsup

Do you think that something like this is likely to happen?:think