Pac Didnt Beat The Fighter That Mattered

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  1. icarus1

    icarus1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what mattered the most is the retro tue for the illegal IV. It is avery bad precedent making a lot confident in cheating their way up the sport. the most important fight of this era was marred by cheating just swept under the rug.
     
  2. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A statement that discredits a living legends whole career because he lost past his price to a juiced up naturally bigger fighter is enough for me to think that the rest will be as idiotic as the start
     
  3. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you think about Pac juicing during the prime of his career? If I recall correctly there was great suspicion that his move up in weight may have been aided by Performance Enhancing Drugs. For many years he refused to submit to random drug testing, a red flag for most, do you not find that strange and unusual for a supposedly "clean" fighter?
     
  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    :deal

    There ain't no Elbows McFaddens or Gary Indiana Joe Gans doing the tootsie roll at the club these days anymore. No sir. :verysad
     
  5. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The absolutley massive difference is that floyd was caught juicing,manny didnt refuse for years and years,he refused to floyds diva demands on one occasion then back tracked on it.he will have been tested numerous times throughout his career and never found to be cheating.floyd got caught in the biggest fight supposedly in history and tgey said never mind floyd.fcking corrupt as ****,and it wasnt the 1st time.
    The yanks are worse than anyone for it,no massive coincidence that they have all of a sudden list their grip or dominance of the sport now testing is widespread
     
  6. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Gans wouldnt do fck all vs neither
     
  7. Toker

    Toker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Logic is as subjective as math. Many people confuse logic with reasoning. An example would be when they say "I can't follow your logic" or "going by your logic" in these cases the word logic should be replaced by reason. When you really apply logic there are very few circumstances where it is or would be subjective. Reason on the other hand is often subject.
    As for what you call "so called facts" I think only people not in touch with reality can argue against facts. But then we can argue about the nature of reality, in which case we fall into the realm of philosophy. Unless the philosophy is of a Marxist nature, I have little to contribute.
    Or maybe you're right.
    Or, maybe not. Maybe you're left.
     
  8. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You say Floyd was caught?? Exactly what PED was he caught using? He tested positive for what substance?
     
  9. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was caught cheating.using iv which was completely illegal and which is an obvious cover up like DOCTOR thomas hausser basically laughed at and said why would you need iv for dehydration when he could just drink a glass of water.typical floyd **** licker d1ckhead of a fan.open your eyes and get your head out of is **** instead of buying into his bull**** and covering up what the whole world can see
     
  10. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always had Floyd winning against PAC although back in 2009 when they were both in their absolute primes I gave Manny more of a shot. I thought it was 50/50 when their fight was first being negotiated.

    The expiration date lapsed on the "fight of the century" by the time it actually happened. Floyd won.....but he landed at his lowest connect percentage and didn't dominate and show he was heads and shoulders above a faded PAC with a bum shoulder.

    The outcome was anti climatic and the performances of both PAC and Floyd was dismal for the magnitude of this fight. The world was watching and both of them failed to perform and live up the other great fighters before them who did perform in fights like theirs.
     
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  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's no way to talk about a fighter I just made up. :nono
     
  13. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    at least that era is finally over
     
  14. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How did fmj "run",? seriously , he was in range almost all night long. He tied up more than needed but saying he ran shows lack of understanding, or simply trolling.

    Fmj won the clean effective punches, ring generalship and defense. Pac really couldn't land on fmj for almost entire rounds, that's in any motion (slow,fast or real time)

    The problem was pac couldn't find a way in and he was very timid from go,then a couple clean rights shook pac, not hurt but shook his over confidence.

    Roach (and the media) had pac believing fmj was scared to death of him and wasn't going to be able to stop pacs attacks. They expected at worse it to go like pacpac v jmm 4 (but different ending) roach had pac believing he'd be abke to walk right through his shots and hurt fmj and he'd fold in the 2nd half.

    That first 2 minutes ruined everything for team pac. Those straight rights and especially the counter rights with the jab kept fmj exactly where he could land and stay out of pacs range.

    I give pac a ton of credit becausw he had NO GAMEPLAN and not a single instruction that could help from roach.. by the mid rounds pac started to get a tiny bit going then the left hook came into play and that was that.

    Was a great technical fight for me, and both guys delivered for me personally. Pacs stock rose quite a bit from that performance for me.

    The pac cult clowns are too bitter to accept the better man won and outside of a ko pac can't beat fmj,and we saw fmj can take clean shots from pac.

    There's still so much resentment towards fmj, he literally ruined many fans ability to handle the sport. There's almost always a winner and a loser, get over it.

    Fmj toughest fight physically was chino 1, don't care what anyone tries claiming, that's his toughest physical win, but mentally the pac fight was his hardest and it's tougher mentally than physically when at their levels
     
  15. Dubal Speek

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    Logic is a function that no matter how objective is subject to human interpretation, and no human can truely be objective.

    The rules of logic as an agreeable objective understood by the current limits of the human brain are not applicable to the scoring of a boxing match. There is no existing formula, and if one existed we would have no controversy when the cards are announced.

    Ok, please define the scientific facts of May vs Pac. We await these absolute truths.