pac doesnt need mayweather he's cemented his legacy

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    So at this point for which fights do you think Pac was on PED's
     
  2. amar1234

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    Give me one source that says that taking a test straight after the fight is not acceptable.... sureley if he is using he would be taking then during training...this means that a 30 day before test would catch him out... however he agreed to the 30 day test....soooooo what is ze problemmmmm???
     
  3. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Please read up. I never even thought he was on PED's before this fiasco. Now, I think that every time he faces a Top Rank fighter it is an inside job.

    I am not basing my current opinion on any of his past fights.
     
  4. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Will you please do a LITTLE research. Why don't you go into the archives and see what has been said and by who. Then go to the scene and read there too. I am throwing you a bone here. :blood

    The reason you sit here spouting this nonsense is that you are too lazy to look up ANYTHING. :verysad
     
  5. amar1234

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    Tell me what i need to look up..
     
  6. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I will help you because seem salvageable.

    Dr Catlin - UCLA Phramacology

    Find his article on the scene of boxing. I can't give a link. Or you can google his name and doping. Third story down. Add the words Pac-Floyd so "dr caitlin doping pac-floyed".

    Victor Conte - Doping (cheater) extraordinaire

    You can find his article here and on the scene of boxing. Better yet google " conte pac-floyd" or "conte pacquio mayweather". He is very specific that the stuff Pac is asking for is BS.

    This stuff is literally all over the damn net yet people act like it doesn't exist.
     
  7. onedream722

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    They both don't 'need' each other. But it both will be talked about after their career is done that this is a fight that shouldn't have been avoided, regardless of the reason.
     
  8. PH|LLA

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    So you DON'T think Pac has taken PED's against any of his past opponents. Correct or incorrect?
     
  9. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. I don't know. At this point I assume he did.

    The same thought process can be used for Margarito. Do I know if he loaded his gloves before? Nope. Am I naive enough to believe that a guy goes from average slugger, to the most feared in boxing, to caught cheating, THEN expediently KTFO. This was his first time cheating? I was born at night but not last damn night!

    You don't get to the "big show" and cheat for the first time.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    if you assume he did then which fighters do you assume he cheated against?
     
  11. Farmboxer

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    Has Void taken PED's? OK, so by asking that question does it make is so?
     
  12. megavolt

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    When you say this, the story itself isn't necessarily inconsistent. What IS inconsistent is the message that is apparently being relayed by different members of the pacquiao camp. The only thing I've read that came from Pacquiao HIMSELF was his fear of being weakened from drawing blood.

    Here's a plausible scenario:

    Arum negotiates testing terms with GBP, accepts bloodtesting/whatnot, and fails to relay the specifics of the bloodtesting to manny.

    Manny learns of this, goes bat**** recalling the Morales fight and says "no blood." Arum goes back to Schaefer and says "no blood" and Schaefer says "why, I want details, like does he not want random testing or what?"

    Arum goes back to Pacquiao, and gets the mess organized a little. They agree on "2 tests before, 1 after the fight, 30 day cutoff"

    Meanwhile, everywhere else, news is spreading like wildfire and word becomes 4th hand knowledge, changing from "no blood" to "Pac is afraid of needles etc." and Roach is approached, who hasn't fully defined anything yet with pac and Arum, tells the media or whoever "Manny should be ok with 5 days cutoff or so, he just doesn't wanted blood drawn the day of the fight"

    Things start to go haywire- people (perhaps family on christmas) accost manny asking if he's taking PEDs, he blows his cap and threatens to sue. Manny makes his own statement from the philippines. Intent on clearing his name, people instead become suspicious.

    Arum is shitting bricks and tries to get NSAC to mediate the testing, but that doesn't help since its likely no blood tests will be necessary, and that wont undo the damage/rumors/suspicion.

    Team pac get their demand together a little bit, 3 tests, 30 days cutoff. News reports show that he tested 24 days for the hatton fight. ****ed up again. OK 24 days then.

    My point is the main factor in the fight blowing up on manny's side is the obvious lack of communication/consensus in the team. Whether it's the cutoff date, needles, blood drawing, randomness, dick waving, imo thats how the story seems so inconsistent. :deal