Pac fans hate muhammad ali

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Did I state you lost?

    You might have won all of it but done it like Gatti!
     
  2. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    I wasn't a brawler like Gatti,I was a hard hitting boxer.I have quite a few hilarious knockouts on some of my friends.I'm a 5foot8 heavyweight.I hit hard.I have only fought a few more than once.The real point though is that I really really personally am close to boxing and love it.I have been around pretty good trainers and they talk **** like the Mayweathers more than you think.It's a great atmosphere as you either know or can imagine.I'm not just on message boards talking sh!t.I really know boxing and can analyze pretty decently and this fight is very clear to me.I understand people's love for pacq because I personally exposed people to him myself,but he ain't gon' beat Mayweather.
     
  3. PorkChopExpress

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  4. theDUD3

    theDUD3 Active Member Full Member

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    difference is ali talks the talk and at the same time walks the walk while pbf "mostly" just talks the talk....
     
  5. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    Better than riding the PORKCHOPEXPRESS!!DWEEB.
     
  6. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Be careful with what you type because this has a different meaning.

    In ESB, you have to be extra diligent otherwise the Pedantic idiots would notice. You can not type Hernandez x 2 if you mean Genaro and Carlos. That is the lesson there.
     
  7. pejevan

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    In boxing, nothing is sure thing.

    If you base it on skill alone, Castillo would not have a prayer to defeat Floyd or even be competitive as Castillo is very much one-dimensional. But what he does is do it very well in that one-dimensional style couple that with tons of heart which is the most underrated in boxing.

    Zab Judah has 10 times the skill of Castillo but he has 1/100th the heart.
     
  8. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    Here's the secret to castillo's very close match with floyd where he lost 5 to 4.He didn't change or attempt to change.Floyd always talks about how he doesn't watch tape of other fighters because they will change when they face him.Castillo didn't change.The entire fight he was himself.Post fight he said floyd hurt him with a left hook,but he didn't change.Floyd said he had a torn rotator cuff and I believe him.In the rematch it wasn't even close.

    Manny's only hope is that he doesn't change,however castillo didn't fight anything like pacq,castillo was much much bigger than floyd and wanted to grab him and hold him and ruff him up,far less chance of being countered,and increased chance to score pitter pat type body punches hence the compu box scores,which the judges clearly didn't respect,giving a shamefully wide decision to floyd.Manny doesn't hold and all of that crazy stuff castillo was up to.He likes to punch a lot which is completely different.He will be much more available for an intelligent counter and a timed lead right.It will be a great fight but should play out quite scientifically.
     
  9. Cocteau

    Cocteau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not only blasphemous to compare Ali to FMJ, but more on simpy because they are totallly different. They both thrash talk just like everybody else, but that's about it.

    Ali was pretty eloquent and charming, his insults though some are deregatory are quite entertaining, tremendous sense of humor and a decent speaker. To top it off, Ali's boxing is extremely action packed, a master of total sporting entertainment from end-to-end.

    Floyd mumbles when he talks, he says the same thing everytime. His sense of humor to be honest is terrible, he thought he's funny, but only people around him makes him think so. You wouldn't want me to mention if his fighting style is even remotely exciting or not, everybody knows about it.
     
  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    When did RJJ or Ali fight a round without throwing a punch. You're thinking of Pep.
     
  11. AFBlues

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    Nothing but pure speculation especially in your own personal view. The word is "IF" And you don't find yourself in the same hipocrisy and denial to justify your statement.
     
  12. AFBlues

    AFBlues Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which are what?

    Floyd is all about money.

    Ali is all about greatness.
     
  13. davebenoit

    davebenoit Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. We love Ali. Period! :smoke:patsch
     
  14. Thread Stealer

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    I don't think Castillo was as skill-less as you make him out to be. He lacked the natural gifts of speed and athleticism as a Judah or Mayweather, but he did some good things in there that required skills and brains. He applied intelligent pressure, often working behind the jab or a good feint to get inside. Obviously fighting on the inside requires skills and knowledge of angles, positioning, where and when to throw, etc...Everyone kept talking about how Corrales should've stayed outside against Castillo, but it was from the outside when Castillo dropped Corrales in the first fight, with that left hook in the 10th. He also landed some nice counter rights from the outside on Corrales the round before that.

    Against Bazan, he landed a left hook that dropped Bazan. After this you figure Bazan would be weary of the left hook. So in the next round, Castillo feints a left hook and as Bazan gets prepared for it, Castillo turns it into an uppercut and knocks Bazan down again.
     
  15. pejevan

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    He is a typical stereotype in ESB of "less skilled". Although of course, that is just semantics as the overwhelming majority of ESBers concept of skillful fighter is in the mold of Mayweather, JMM. Infcat, Pac is probably ranked so high in that one-dimensional fighter list if ESBer would make one.

    However, his skillset is entirely different and what he does with that skillset is entirely effective to soem extent. Just as people are saying that Hatton is one-dimensional, yet his one dimensional-ness is very effective and would probably win against top 140 pounders except probably 1 or 2.