Pac/floyd in jeopardy! Pac refuses drug test!!!

Why do the Olympic testers ask for urine then???

We are all talking like experts on here yet Olympic testers and anti-doping agencies all require urine samples - standard and not open for debate.

They spring 'un-announced' tests at all times of the year and this something that should be brought into boxing in a much larger manner.

 

Arum's saying the fights off.....

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, livid over the unconscionable demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr for pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao to undergo random blood tests as well as urine tests conducted by the US Anti Doping Agency before their planned March 13 fight told us late Wednesday morning, "is off as of now."

Arum made it clear that Pacquiao who has a phobia for needles and extracting too much blood which weakens him said he would gladly agree to have a blood test before the initial press conference and after the fight, plus urinalysis anytime he wants. What more? asked Arum.

Arum said "doctors will tell you that blood-testing is not even sure anymore and urinalysis is the state-of-the-art testing for drugs. But they don’t want the fight which is what I suspected from the beginning or they want to torture Pacquiao to throw him off his game.”

The astute promoter said he told them “absolutely not. That’s where we stand and we are prepared to walk away. I’m not going to bully this kid and Freddie (Roach) is adamant about that point.”

Arum said “they can go to hell as far as I’m concerned including (Richard) Schaefer although I don’t think its his idea. I think its Floyd’s idea and we are going to go on and do something else. This is an absolute outrage.”

He said the Nevada State Athletic Commission under its highly respected executive director Keith Kizer is "beside themselves" over the Mayweather demands and said “their drug testing is the best in the world and its an insult to them.”

Arum questioned the motives and asked “who is this ignorant, illiterate kid demanding this. Who is he? This has never ever happened in professional boxing.”

Pacquiao, in a statement issued by his adviser Michael Koncz said he had always wanted athletes to serve as role models in every sport and to keep sports free from drugs and that he was willing to undergo tests as he has always done in the past and come clean. Koncz said “we wanted to do the fight because that’s what the people wanted but obviously Mayweather is scared and looked for a way out..”

In an email to ***********.com, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said “Olympic style drug testing is not one blood test 30 days before the fight and one after the fight. It is random drug testing which would include somnewhere between 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 u,rine tests taken during the period January 1 to March 15. Blood tests by the way are taken in a non-intrusive manner and are less than one tablespoon.”

Arum mentioned several issues that arose during the negotiations day after day. He pointed out that Mayweather “had no intention of coming in at 147” which is the welterweight limit and then said he didn’t want to fight for the WBO title and we said okay, if you come an ounce over 147 you are going to pay us $10 million. Then this all started.”

Pacquiao’s conditioning expert Alex Ariza responded to the Mayweather camps demand that the blood testing go all the way up to the weigh in saying it was “ludicrous” pointing out that “there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight. We are not refusing to give blood, we are not willing to give it that close to the fight.”

Ariza said he is convinced that Mayweather is “just posturing and the reality of the situation is Mayweather is looking for a reason to get out of this fight because Manny is going to give him the beating of a lifetime. He will sustain a beating that he never ever endured in his whole career in boxing. What he feels in his own small mind is that his legacy will go down being beaten by Manny Pacquiao.”

 

Nooooo waayy...

 

As I always understood it from testing people I have spoken with in the past??

Mayweather's a cat and looking for a get out. Arum, whilst 'colourful' in his dealings at times hit's the nail on a multitude of points through his release.

I wish Pac would move on and fight Mosley, should he beat Berto. That's an action fight from top-to-bottom. Not the "If they can hit me, they can't beat me", defensive **** that Floyd will drivel out. BBBOORRRIIING!!!

 

You think its common amongst cubans?

He hasnt changed much from the little I saw of him as an amateur

 

I'm certainly not up to date on testing protocols and my knowledge dates back to my time in olympic sport (8yrs ago) but I always thought that the reason why urine was done was because it was less invasive, and the regulations within sport were yet to allow the taking of random blood samples.

 

This explains a lot: http://www.antidopingresearch.org/BeyondSportsDopingHeadlines.pdf

 

I'm certainly not upto date either Ray as the why's and what for's, and not being a doctor. However in recent times (last 3yrs), laboraty/testing people I know and have actually spoken too have always insisted on urine preference over blood.

Still, doesn't dismiss the fact that there should be some sort of logical solution to making this work for all concerned, fighters, promoters and most importantly the fans so the bout goes ahead.

Arum's a dogged old ******* and he's hates PBF. Whilst he values a dollar, he will stay strong on certain things so they don't feel their 'winning' the fight outside the ring, before it potentially even starts!!

 

Never did I once infer was it common amongst Cubans?? I am extremely dubious about him. I've seen pics and he's just a walking muscle and vein machine.

Maybe I'm wrong, it's just an opinion.

 

Agree Contendo, something must be done on a global scale.

 

Sorry Ray, my computer is having hissy fits like yours before trying to open this link, what's the guts of it say mate???

 

It just explains the whole process. It does state that with most drugs now urine samples are preferred. :good

 

I had a blood test done myself 4(tubes) to be exact was numb right after.Use of needles from the arm it might weaken a fighter.But I think one drug test a week out from the fight is OK. :good IF Pac is juicing. I disown him. :hey

 

Thanks Ray - ****ing computers though, aarrghh!!!

 

If Floyd agrees to giving the same tests as Manny then all is sweet. If Manny refuses then something is sus :yep