Pac/floyd in jeopardy! Pac refuses drug test!!!

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  1. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is that the guy? I thought it was a different name.

    anyway...the strength and conditioning coach is on record as saying Pacs increase in size and stregth can be attributed to the addition of protein shakes and egg sandwiches to his diet. It's true! He said it.

    Ironic that the period of Pac going from 130 in March 2008 to 142 in Dec 2008 (and then on to 147 in 2009) COINCIDES with this guy joining his team.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  2. Kegsy

    Kegsy Lights Out Full Member

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    Alex Ariza is Pacquiao's strength & conditioning coach.
     
  3. Kegsy

    Kegsy Lights Out Full Member

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    :-(
    Alex Ariza
     
  4. RayKelly

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    Unless he is bench pressing and squatting the shakes and sandwiches I can't see how that would make improve his strength! :lol:
     
  5. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im with ya Ray! :lol:
     
  6. Ben K

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    :patsch:patsch I probably should have read more into the article.
     
  7. RayKelly

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    Can anyone find anything on Ariza? I wouldn't mind seeing where he's worked before and what his qualifications are.

    I've never heard of the bloke, and can't find anything on him other than interviews about Pacman. He's a apparently a strength and conditioning guru.
     
  8. Ben K

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    In an overseas telephone conversation with ***********.com, Insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports, Manny Pacquiao’s media advisor Mike Koncz said training was progressing remarkably well despite persistent reports of in-camp fighting.

    “Everything is going exactly to plan” Koncz declared, suggesting that rumors to the contrary were a “ruse perpetrated by the betting industry”.

    Conditioning coach Alex Ariza has allowed a rare glimpse into Pacquiao’s eating regime. “Manny loves bananas” he said, pointing out that he had eaten one for breakfast that very morning.

    Another source told us that Manny’s fondness for bananas was beginning to frustrate trainer Freddie Roach. It was rumored that Manny frequently had to rush to the bathroom mid sparring on more than one occasion. “They just go straight through him” Roach was heard to mutter.

    Pacquiao’s chief sparring partner Jose Luis Castillo was reluctant to comment although he did hint that bananas were Manny’s “secret weapon” when trying to make weight.

    It can also be revealed that Pacquiao’s camp has enlisted the help of former athletics coach Trevor Graham for “secret strength and speed coaching”.

    “It’s not the first time we have used him” Ariza said, suggesting that Graham was actually the mastermind behind Manny’s freakish success over the past few years.

    “He wouldn’t be here without Big Trev, that’s for sure” Roach admitted.

    Manny has also been running everyday, except during periods of inclement weather.
    “He doesn’t like to get his feet wet” laughed sparring partner Shawn Porter, “It’s no wonder he can’t swim”.
     
  9. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    130 to 147lbs is only an increase of 17lbs/7.7kgs, and he hasn't actually ever weighed in over 144lbs, so it's really only an increase of 14lbs/6.3kgs over a 21 month period.

    That's not a lot if he's increased his leg strength workouts and his physique has matured - an increase in resistance training on the legs can whack on 2-3kgs within 3 or 4 weeks easily as it's the biggest muscle group in the body.

    It's not like he's bulked up 20kgs or something suspicious like that.

    When I was 19 I put on 8kgs in a 2 month period when I got serious about weight training and started eating like a horse - and yep, bananas and protein shakes were a big part of my diet during that period. I was having banana sandwiches, bananas in my protein shakes, bananas on my cornflakes...I used to fart like a Coffs Harbour cow :yep
     
  10. teke

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    You having a crack at me ****? :blood
     
  11. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Manny likes bananas.. **** me, what a glimpse into his eating regiem. That explains EVERYTHING!!!! I just wonder, does he inject them?? Banana capsules?? Powdered Banana?? Caffeinated Bananas??

    It all sounds suss... :D
     
  12. LeonMcS

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    Bananaman ate bananas and look what he achieved.
     
  13. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Bananaman??

    You drinking again???
     
  14. Contendo

    Contendo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No offence was taken mate. I don't follow the Cuban's a hell of a lot, but the bloke I see I have always been more than dubious of....

    The other bloke, geez massive improvement for someone on the wrong side of 30, a hell of a lot of fights, yet improving vastly on his previous career highlights to the point of his world-title winning bout, he threw over 100 punches per round as quoted by CompuBox??? Massive improvement in ability overnight as it appears to the layman...
     
  15. perfect jet

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    Here's an in depth opinion given by arguably the best authority on the subject of ped's and drug testing...Victor Conte (BALCO). He was responsible for supplying ped's to Marion Jones, Barry Bonds and Shane Mosley. All of them never failed a drug test.

    ’In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone. Measuring hematocrit levels (percentage of red blood cells to total whole blood volume) is very important. For example, even without a positive urine test for EPO, cyclists are temporarily suspended for two weeks if their hematocrit is greater than 50%. An elevated hematocrit can provide a significant advantage to a fighter by enhancing oxygen uptake and utilization. This would benefit a fighter in training and especially during the later rounds of a fight."


    Some observers have been suspicious of Pacquiao’s recent dominance as he has moved up in weight. ’the Pac Man’, who won his first world title as a flyweight( 112-pounds), has knocked out the trio of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and, most recently, Miguel Cotto, in succession. Leading some to believe that he is ’juicing’- meaning he is on a form of steroids or HGH( human growth hormone). But Conte believes that a blood test must be adminstered for the reason stated up above in his email.

    "One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone," he explained."So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big bang for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance.

    "EPO, though, in terms of boxing, is absolutely huge, both in training and as well as in a fight, especially during the later rounds."

    Conte does have experience in boxing, having worked with Andre Ward and Eddie Chambers, recently, and back in 2003, during the heyday of BALCO, assisted with Shane Mosley in his usage of illegal P.E.D’s in his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya. When asked if Mosley was on EPO for that fight, Conte answered,"Yes, he was."

    Another factor that is essential is that the tests need to be random in nature.

    "Otherwise," he explains,"it’s what they call ’announced testing’ and I’ve historically called that ’I.Q. testing’. So to apply that to other sports, it would be like showing up to training camp for Major League Baseball and they test you. That’s announced testing. You have to be pretty dumb to show up at training camp or at ’announced testing’ and test positive. The clearance time of most of these drugs that are out there are well known."

    He also says that for these substances to be utilized at their maximum efficiency, they must be properly cycled and be out of your system by the time competition begins.

    "Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days," explained Conte."So if you know when you’re going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you’re going to test negative. So that is really an issue."

    Accoring to him,"Traditional testing in boxing, it’s basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight."

    The Mayweather camp and Golden Boy Promotions, has insisted- against Bob Arum’s wishes- on employing USADA( the United States Anti-Doping Agency) and their methods to monitor both boxers leading into the fight( which is now in serious jeopardy). But USADA’s testing is hardly foolproof, as two of Conte’s most famous clients, Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery, avoided detection for years from this organization.

    "There’s lots of loopholes. They call that the ’gold standard testing’. I’ve said this as far back as 2004, that there are huge loopholes that you can drive an equivelant of a Mack Truck through. the USADA testing is certainly better than what is used in professional sports but it’s still relatively easy to beat the test," states Conte, who was also noted for working with baseball slugger Barry Bonds, during his assault on the record book." Now, I don’t know in the case of this fight, but the reason is because you’re allowed two missed tests and they can’t come back the next day because you have to be allowed a hearing to provide your reasonable explanation or the ’exceptional circumstance’ as they call it. So they’ll just come back the next day and of course none of this is transparent. It’s like being up to hit in baseball where you get two strikes and then you smack it out of the park and hit a home run. So it’s still relatively easy to beat USADA testing and in this particular case, I do believe you need to have random, unannounced testing. To just say,’I’ll be tested on this date’, there’s all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you can’t do with unannounced testing."