pac gets no credit...

Let's hear yours.

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

This content is protected

,

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

vs

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

This content is protected

You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

IM WAITING

This content is protected

Lets do this!

The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

This content is protected

In part I'm glad you realize and admit Morales was shot. Secondly, Whitaker was NOT coming off a humiliating loss a la Morales. Infact Whitaker should have been undefeated coming into the fight with DLH and had had some impressive wins vs great opposition in his previous fights. Unfortunately Whitaker didn't deal well with the loss, got on the junk and ruined the rest of his career with drugs.

Let me school you on something. Shotness is not necessarily and always attributed to age. Size is not always attributed to height. You know Whiatker had beat JCV years before he lost to DLH, JCV the man that decked Winky Wright 5 times.

ODLH moved up to 147, a weight he was unfamiliar with to fight the reigning champ.

:rofl:rofl:rofl No you just didn't say that! First Quartey was in the PRIME of his LIFE, Larios was PAST his prime, Quartey was undefeated, and had one of the best jabs of his era. Larios was a good B level fighter in his prime.

Quartey had an iffy fight where he should have won easy, but because of Kds he ended up getting a questionable draw. His previous win was a little over a year and a half. A

Shane was on steroids was was clearly the stronger man that night. Oscar was clearly the smarter man.

You still didn't prove why EM was a better win than Whitaker, Mab a better win than JCC, Hatton a better win than Vargas.

So DLH has a few losses at the twighlight of his career, Pac has some in the beggining. It is very common for great fighters to rack up a few loses towards the end.

All you did was TRY to dissect ODLH resume, very uneffectively, but never even mentioned Pac's. You can dissect ODLH's resume all you want, but it's still better than Pac's.

This content is protected

WTF??! Do you even follow boxing? Sure DLH had youth on his side, but how many times have we seen skill beat Speed?? HUNDREDS.

Morales had been fighting pro for 13 years when Pac finally beat him, had been in a several grueling wars and was obviously at the end of his career. Past his BEST, and arguably SHOT. Morales was not even a titlist, he wasn't even P4P, hell, out of Morales' last 6 fights he only won one, his hast hurrah vs Pac. GREAT indicator of shotness.

JCC had been pro for 12.5 years when DLH beat him, had one loss and a nice winning streak since, was the WBC champion and considred P4P. He still continued winning after with the exception of the DLH rematch.

You're F-ing insane if you think Morales was a better win.

How much does it matter??? Better question is how many ass kickings, or how many brutal wars that take something out of you was JCC in compared to MAB?? MAB was always and will always be inferior ro JCC.

And ON TOP of that, MAB and EM do not even come close to JCC's skill level. Mab and EM are probably the best MX of the early 2000's, but nowhere near JCC on the ATG...As you familiarize yourself more with boxing you'll understand it more.

 

Pac doesnt deserve credit he is the one who allowed JMM back into the fight had he did his job and finished this wouldnt be an issue.

 

Hey *******, next time you call someone a moron, look in the mirror while saying repeating that word.

Better luck next time.

 

Pacquiao was pretty much outboxed and stood on his head from the third round on. The last 4 rounds were closer, but I think Marquez easily grabbed 2 of them.

I give Pacquiao little credit for this fight, as it exposed him as one-dimensional, but I give him HUGE credit for what this fight led to him doing- Manny knuckled down and started refining his more advanced skills. He hadn't managed to improve enough to beat a master veteran like Morales who wasn't going to get blitzed in the first round, but he kept at it and is very lethal today.

But, had Marquez not fought stupidly in the 1st round( No head movement, at all), he would have soundly won that fight.

 

After 5 long years, I say it's time to let go. We will al feel better!

 

I told you to shutup... no argument needed there, numbnuts. Just do it!

 

:good

 

YOU GOT IT Rght on the button.JMM knows how PAULY MALLANAGI FEELS.GOT RIP OFF BIGTIME..atsch

 

He should be given credit for winning some rounds after the 2nd round. I think we should give credit to the TS for his splendid and unbiased analys of the fight. Only JMM partisans will discredited for calling the fight in Pac's favor.

 

I did and you are still a certifed moron. :hi: