Pac Has too much speed for DLH, Pac will beat Hatton!!-- Roach!!!

CJLightweight · Jun 13, 2008

PacDbest said:

I know about weight Class. If DLH's Prime of course I will favor him to win. But he's not Prime, he's ready to retire. Pac is in his Prime, Current P4P, Longer arms, Faster, Sharper, endless stamina. The only Thing DLH's chance is if he can catch Pac with the perfect shot. But DLH can't put away Forbes, Pac's chin was Proven, he can take it.

Roach also knows what DLH bring as he's the former trainer. Roach knows something we didn't know.
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i didn't know pac had longer arms than dlh till now:shock:

PacDbest · Jun 13, 2008

CJLightweight said:

i didn't know pac had longer arms than dlh till now:shock:
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Pac has 25". DLH has 24". PBF has 26".

PacDbest · Jun 13, 2008

albeziel said:

Too soon to talk about Pac fighting Hatton or DLH, we haven't see Pac fighting in 135 yet, it is not about his speed or stamina, the thing is if he can take punches from top opposition in higher weight classes.

and I'm not talking about sparring partners.
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Isn't it almost everybody here doesn't even give D Diaz a Chance??? That's the reason we talk about the next fight.

albeziel · Jun 13, 2008

PacDbest said:

Isn't it almost everybody here doesn't even give D Diaz a Chance??? That's the reason we talk about the next fight.
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Since when the ESB posters are fortune tellers?
Recent fights
Quintana vs Williams
De Leon vs Juanma
Forrest vs Mora

Pac needs to beat Diaz first

Dennis · Jun 13, 2008

If Pac moves up a couple of weight classes to fight Oscar, he'll probably never be the same when he goes back down again.

I still can't imagine a Pac vs Hoya fight though.:-(

BewareofDawg · Jun 13, 2008

PacDbest said:

Look what Forbes, a Former 130 lbs title holder did to DLH's face??? Pac is much stronger and Faster than Forbes. Pac is the current #1 P4P because he's that good.
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Says you! And what are you basing that on??? atsch How about this...Pac was wobbled a couple of times by JMM....enough said :good

PacDbest · Jun 15, 2008

BewareofDawg said:

Says you! And what are you basing that on??? atsch How about this...Pac was wobbled a couple of times by JMM....enough said :good
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JMM is a Prime ATG . How many times you see JMM beaten clearly???

Now look at Hatton and DLH. How many times you see them beaten Clearly????

PacDbest · Jun 15, 2008

Dennis said:

If Pac moves up a couple of weight classes to fight Oscar, he'll probably never be the same when he goes back down again.

I still can't imagine a Pac vs Hoya fight though.:-(
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Here's what's new. DLH really wants Pac.

June 12th, 2008
Slouching towards Pacquiao to Retire
posted by Large

It appears that the Oscar De La Hoya farewell-year drama is proceeding towards an inevitable one-fight conclusion with Manny Pacquiao. Awful as it is, it just makes too much dollars-and-sense for it not to happen.

Oscar has made one thing patently clear in his recent escapades in the ring - the smaller his opponent the better. Of course, you can give him the benefit of the doubt on that score by saying, hey Large, look, Oscar wants to fight big names and all the really big names right now are in the lower weight classes. Thats fair I guess, although lets be clear about this - Oscars natural fighting weight right now is clearly 154, and he has to work hard to make that. So in dipping to 147 (and even one, or in Pacquiaos case, three weight classes below that) hes moving down in weight considerably.
So if the man really wanted a challenge, why wouldnt he move up rather than down? And fight who, you ask? Well, what about Kelly Pavlik? Oscar has fought at 160 before. Granted, it didnt go that well for him, but hell, hes older now and much more motivated, not to mention naturally bigger. Pavlik is one of the most exciting and fastest rising stars of the sport, and no doubt a fight with Kelly would be a gigantic PPV attraction.
Or what about challenging his business-partner Bernard and trying to avenge one of his most ignominious defeats? You telling me BHop wouldnt get his ass down to 160 in a heartbeat to fight Oscar right now? You telling me they couldnt fabricate some weird dust-up between them in the Golden Boy ranks and turn it into a fight for pride that would generate ridiculous pay-per-view dollars? Say what you will about that idea but its hard to deny the fact that theres infinitely more reason, more narrative, to that fight than a bout between Oscar and Ricky Hatton or Manny Pacquiao.

But obviously, Oscar isnt going to fight Hopkins or Pavlik. I only bring them up to say that in going one, two, three weight classes under his natural weight, Oscar cant entirely hide behind the defense of thats where the only good fights are. Part of the explanation has to be assessed as what we all know it to be - Oscar doesnt want to get hurt or take much of a risk at this stage of his career.
And thats what makes me think it almost certain that well see him fight Pacquiao this fall at a catchweight of 150. Hatton doesnt want him (with the preposterous excuse of I cant get ready that quickly - for more of my thoughts on that, check this piece at The Sporting Blog). He most certainly doesnt want Winky Wright (poor, deluded Winky). And though he makes noise about it every now and then, something tells me he doesnt actually want the winner of Cotto/Margo either, just on the pure I dont want to get my pretty face smashed in line of inquiry.
Who does that leave who is remotely in Oscars stratosphere? It almost seems like the Pacquiao fight HAS to happen right now for ODLH, because theres no one else who can fill his dance card to his own satisfaction. Pac Man is perfect fodder for Oscar - small but with the reputation of being an assassin, as well as being a very big name with a huge PPV upside (whats more - surprise surprise - Pacs trainer, and former Oscar mercenary, Freddie Roach, thinks Manny can win). The only thing that was lacking in this potential matchup is a narrative, a why? other than the obvious (loot), and on that score Ring Magazine may have unwittingly solved the problem with its announcement yesterday that with the retirement of Money May (Not), it has elevated Pacquiao to the number-one spot in its pound-for-pound rankings.

That right there, thats the hook. Oscar was going to fight Floyd, the uncontested pound-for-pound king, but Floyd picked up his marbles and went home. So now, well, he has to fight the new pound-for-pound king, because, as hes always said, he only wants to fight the best and give the fans the fights they deserve.

Its not bad, it works. Whats more, it will probably be a more entertaining affair than a rematch with Money. The only potential wrench in the works is if Pacquiao opts for a bout with Ricky Hatton instead, a fight that Manny is on record as saying that he would like to make for this September. Something tells me, though, that the Golden Boy forces will make sure that doesnt happen. Check this story from Boxing Scene where Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer says that a Hatton/Pacquiao matchup would be an all-time great fight (a dubious claim, but whatever), but adds that its unlikely such a fight will happen this year, because Ricky has that showdown with Paulie Malignaggi that the world is clamoring for. And, look, theres just no way on Gods green earth that Ricky could ever get out of that fight, not with a towering force in the world of boxing like Paulie Freakin Malignaggi on the contract. Nope, cant happen, sorry. Pacquiao will just have to look elsewhere this fall. I wonder whos available
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Imperial1 · Jun 15, 2008

I think Roach should worry about Pac's first outing at 135 first before we talk about him being to fast for Oscar and Hatton ..We don't want another Morales Raheem in Manny;s next fight !

Irish Steel · Jun 15, 2008

I think theres going to be a NEW big 4!

Hatton
DLH
Pac
JMM

most of them will fight each other.... even though the smaller ones will b e outclassed (Duran VS Hagler, Duran VS Hearns)

john b · Jun 16, 2008

PacDbest said:

JMM is a Prime ATG . How many times you see JMM beaten clearly???

Now look at Hatton and DLH. How many times you see them beaten Clearly????
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Hatton as been beaten clearly once of mayweather. Yeah pac maybe a great fighter but hatton at 140 is an animal and great applying the pressure, when hatton as carbed up he his at 154, but pac will probably be a 144. hatton will wear him down and it will be a late tko. but we are getting ahead of ourselves hatton as to beat paulie and pac as to beat diaz.:good

Beeston Brawler · Jun 16, 2008

Pac would be thrown around the ring like a rag doll by Hatton.

If Ricky can throw arond the likes of Tszyu, and Castillo (who appeared to be bigger framed than Hatton) then Pac will be kids play - dangerous assumption.

He will be at 150 for the same reason that Hatton is 180 prior to entering training, and who gives a **** about sparring partners, aren't they there to chew on some leather in return for a couple of quid?

Slothrop · Jun 16, 2008

I would welcome a Pac-Oscar fight for the record setting levels of ESB nuthuggary.

john b · Jun 16, 2008

Beeston Brawler said:

Pac would be thrown around the ring like a rag doll by Hatton.

If Ricky can throw arond the likes of Tszyu, and Castillo (who appeared to be bigger framed than Hatton) then Pac will be kids play - dangerous assumption.

He will be at 150 for the same reason that Hatton is 180 prior to entering training, and who gives a **** about sparring partners, aren't they there to chew on some leather in return for a couple of quid?
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:good spot on. But it will be a great fight. If hatton did win you can hear the haters saying oh he should be beating a man who started is career at super-flyweight. Oh beeston brawler could you tell me any good drinking holes before latics play leeds in august.

Beeston Brawler · Jun 16, 2008

There are a fair few - mainly in the town centre at the top end, the bottom end is full of the Service Crew pricks......

Are you driving or getting coach or doing stopover - because the bars in leeds are pretty decent, but the back street boozers are just as expensive and really rough!

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