Pac Haters and bettors: You've been warned before that during the 1st rd of pac-jmm..

You don't OWN anything, and you have NO BRAGGING RIGHTS little boy. You've accomplished nothing. You aren't Manny Pac. HE's a the fighter, the guy with bragging rights. You're the 16Yo bakla who thinks he's some boxing expert, but in reality, an overzealous fanboy. :thumbsup

 

Was that the fault of PacMan or JMM?

I don't think it matters ... that didn't stop him from fighting ... He still went 12and just further shows me that he can't box ... a real boxer wouldve just simply boxed the rest of the fight.

Plenty of fighters hurt their hands and still went on to win the fight.

Watch out for those body shots from JMM ... they gave PacMan hell the first fight.

A draw after knocking down a guy 3 times in the first round is pathetic ... all he had to do was win 5 rounds after the first and he didn't do that, IMO he won a total of 3 rounds after gaining a 4 point edge on JMM.

 

Whether Pacquiao was actually in fact hurt or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's an excuse or not. You keep pointing out that they actually happened and there are pictures. There are also pictures of the forrest fires that happened during Barrera's camp.

It is about whether or not these things affected the outcome of the fight that makes them excuses. You don't seem to think anything affects the outcome of other fighters who lose to Pacquiao, but assume anything that happens to Pacquiao does affect the outcome and is therefore valid. Why is it that when something happens to another fighter, it's irrelevant and just an excuse, but if it happens to Pacquiao, it's valid reasoning? BTW, fighters win all the time with injured hands. Mayweather and Jones Jr immediately come to mind.

 

I think knowing that he let JMM come back and pull out a draw (even though I think Marquez won) will be haunting him ... he's not going to box ... he might show improvement but that won't last for long. He thinks he's going to get the KO.

He can't out box Marquez, his only hope would be to KO him -- and that won't happen.

JMM adjusted to the first fight ... PacMan hasn't changed much and he will go back to his old self once he gets settled in.

Marquez UD 115-113

 

Wow now, your getting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too logical.

 

yep, i know that sometimes they are a little naive of who is the real hater or just plain critical poster. and them resorting to namecalling puts pacfans in a bad light. but the way they defend pac when a few (just few) but extreme haters here emerges are worth more than the comments by the level-headed but passive pacfans. so i don't mind them when they post "pac ko srr" or "bragging rights" threads.

 

Thats where your wrong.

 

To be honest with you, I think I do a better job of defending Pacquiao against unreasonable assertions.

 

call me a hater ... the man can't box !!

 

He's certainly not a great boxer. However, speed and power are very important in this sport. Pac has these two attributes in abundance. Pac is once again the challenger in this fight and JMM is once again the champion. Pac looks focused, and he looks like he's in great shape; not drained. JMM is definately the more skilled fighter. However, his slowed reflexes and lack of great defense might cost him this fight despite him being the better boxer.

 

i've seen you've done that a lot of times and you are doing a good job :good but the way they monitor every single thread with pac is quite outstanding. and they will even make some thread's to counter the hate threads propagated by these few extreme haters. that's when i say they are the equalizers.

 

Sometimes a somewhat one dimensional fighter can be so good at the one dimension, they can overcome the better more versatile boxer. On the elite level, this is rare, but there are also rarely fighters like Pacquiao who are so overwhelming in the power and speed department that they can simply come right at you and do tremendous damage very quickly.

 

spinks, jermain, barrera, hamed, judah are master boxers, what's your point?

 

I just don't like the way they pop up and turn threads about other fighters into threads about Pacquiao, or compare another fighter to Pacquiao in a derogatory manner when they clearly have no knowledge of that fighter.

 

they aren't one dimensional ... Pacquiao is ... all this hype is good for him because i'm pretty sure he likes the attention -- but he can't hurt Marquez, he can't out box Marquez... Marquez has an answer for whatever Pacquiao brings.

I remember watching this guy fight Morales the second time and he was throwing punches off one foot, squaring up and walking in like Frankenstein w/ girl type flailing punches.

That **** was hilarious.