Pac is 3 wins away from having a very good argument as the Best of All Time

Yep...they (certain posters) can't have it both ways.

 

People need to remember that we’re currently in a Tyson “1980s” era, where a lot of dedicated fans think if they say “Tyson is the greatest heavyweight of all time” loud enough, and often enough, then it’s going to make it so.

Tyson was never the best heavyweight of all time. No matter how much his many fans tried to claim he was.

Pacquiao suffers from the same thing. Lot of fan backing, lot of media love, all his fights get hype, but as soon as he’s 10 years retired, and people start thinking objectively, he’s easily going to drop 10-20 places on most people’s all time lists.

Here’s his big problems, if you ask me.

1: He’s never dominated any division. The division’s he’s famous for boxing in, I think you’ll struggle to convince anyone that he was actually the best guy fighting there. Including now.

2: He’s never answered the Marquez question. In most people’s minds Marquez was probably the superior fighter at featherweight and super featherweight. Morales also beat him easily, when you could argue that he was way past his best.

3: His post Marquez wins, have a lot of question marks. They have been bouts against people who’ve already lost just as heavily, to other people. Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, have all been destroyed just as bad by other people.



You have to accept that Sugar Ray Leonard rarely gets into any ATG top 10. He’s sometimes not even in the top 18. I’ve seen him on many respected lists at 16 or 17.
This is a guy who beat Duran, Hagler and Hearns, and then won world titles right up to Super Middleweight.

As I said, while he’s hyped, and has loud fan backing, he’ll always be 20 places ahead of where he’ll eventually end up.

I put both Manny and Floyd somewhere between 40-50

 

Manny would be a big underdog with Floyd, and wouldn't get in with Williams or Martinez at even 154, if you paid him $35 million. Let alone 160.

Manny's choice of opponent for a 154 belt, is a shot margarito, who's already been destroyed by Mosely, at a 151 catch weight.

What makes you think he's interested in 50/50 legacy defining bouts?

Is there an easier way to win an 8th belt?

 

I will mention just a couple of fighters by weightclass that would mop the floor with Pacroid,
batamweight= Wilfredo Gomez, Edre Joffre
featherweight= Salvador Sanchez, willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Arguello
JLW= JCC, Camacho, Arguello
LW= Duran, Arguello
JWW = Pryor (with Panama Lewis at the corner) Kid Pambele, Benitez.
WW= Hearns, SRL, SRR, Napoles, Rodriguez, Griffin, Gavilan and much more, I'm not going to go up in weight because it will b murder.

 

As in, ask me this:

Roy Jones has dominating wins over Bernard Hopkins and James Toney (the two best fighters of his own era, at their best weight). Two all time great guys in his weight division. And he really outclassed both.

He’s probably one of the more dominant middleweights in the history of boxing.

He’s probably one of the more dominant super middleweights in the history of boxing.

He’s probably one of the more dominant light heavyweights in the history of boxing.

Other than his big wins versus the HOF middleweights, he also has wins against virtually every ranked fighter in his entire era at 175, including guys like Tarver and McCallum

He then moved up to Heavyweight and dominated John Ruiz. Probably gave Ruiz the most one sided loss of his entire career.

You honestly think, once the dust is settled, Manny’s going to be any higher than a Roy Jones?

My experience, ATG rankings are based on dominance. Dominating weights. Dominating opponents.

As I said, I think that’s where Manny will struggle. He’s been dominated at the peak of his career. Hasn’t dominated any divisions. Has losses. And has unanswered questions.

As in, Floyd Mayweather has owned divisions.

Like him or not, he was probably the most dominant 130 fighter of his era.

He cleaned up 135.

He’s been the dominant guy at 147 for years.

 

The problem is, you can probably name guys in his own era:

A peak Morales at 130?

A peak Marquez at 130?

Anyone really expect him to push Mayweather too hard at 147?

 

Lmao at Floyd cleaning up 135.

The things these *****s come up with.

 

If he does that then top 5 is reasonable. That would be legit 6 lineal titles from flyweight to middleweight and winning the biggest fight in 30 years, no amount of hater propaganda could change that.

 

shyt is just mind boggling...they dont even care to use logic when they argue....just spout random dumb shyt.....i've sen some of these clowns say Floyd is as low as 50 to 60 on the ATG list and i ve seen lower but we will just leave that as people being smart asses......then they chop his resume up to mere bums never mind the many champs he beat......but wait if Pac beats him......top 5 ALL TIME.....and if you ask them who is the better fighter they will say they are on the same level....

so lets sum it up

50-60 ATG

Resume is terrible (small fighters and old guys thats what they say)

his talent is overrated - i've seen this on here several times

he isnt better than Pac

but a win over him for Pac...rockets him to Top 5.

where they do that at?