Pac-JMM 4: Was Pac's KD of JMM a fluke?

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  1. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So much attention has been given to the beautiful KD and KO punches of JMM over Pac (I personally find the KD much much sweeter since JMM really made Pac think he was throwing another jab to the body then BAM!) but this is the first time I've seen this from top view so bear with me.

    Scroll to 00:36

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtjSckoZ6R0

    Many fans (no I'm not referring to the fanboys) claim that this was a slip and "not really a knockdown".

    I just don't see it that way.

    It was a solid left hand lead and you can see JMM getting momentarily stiff legged and stunned then finally falling to his side.
    It was almost the same way that JMM KO'd Pac in that JMM was charging forward when Pac used JMM's momentum to throw and magnify that otherwise non-concussive left straight.
    You can see JMM's head snapping back AN AWFUL LOT.
    Contrary to popular opinion, JMM's and Pac's feet DID NOT get tangled at all.
    Pac didn't even step on JMM's foot. He withdrew his foot (and body) as soon as the left hand connected.

    P.S.
    This video also includes the entire round 6 so feel free to finish the clip. MAN THESE FIGHTERS WERE REALLY TRUE TO THEIR WORD AND TRYING TO DECAPITATE EACH OTHER. I wish more boxers were the same.
     
  2. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    fluke or luck however you like to call it exists in boxing like it exists in othere sports
     
  3. moulicules

    moulicules Chessmaster Full Member

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  4. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    aint a slip. that was a legit kd from the usual pac left straight
     
  5. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    fluke or not, his recklessness just caught up with him.
     
  6. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah, clear knockdown. He was on his way to winning that fight too, not that it realy matters.
     
  7. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    PAC stepping on toes again.
     
  8. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    the fight ended in a ko. no point going into this **** if there is no fight to look forward to.

    it was a good win for marquez. my personal opinion is he got lucky. case close.
     
  9. MrGlass

    MrGlass Active Member Full Member

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    No it wasn't.

    Marquez has fought Pacquiao four times, he knows everything about Pacquiao. How can anyone argue otherwise?
     
  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    How is it a fluke if a punch landed and forced Marquez to touch the canvas?
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao's foot was on top of Marquez' causing Marquez to lose his balance when the shot landed. Marquez was'nt hurt from that shot, its one of those freak things that happens.
     
  12. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He wasn't hurt in the sense that he wasn't in any danger of getting taken out (if anything, he would put Pac on ***** street later in that same round when he landed a nearly identical punch as that of the KO punch), but I just don't see any toes getting stepped on clearly and if Pac did, I just don't see it as the reason JMM went down.
    JMM's head snapped way back and he got stiffed leg when the punch landed as is clearly seen in the video.
    Watch JMM's rear leg as the punch landed. You can see he went stiffed legged and wobbly for a fraction of a second as he took the full impact of the punch without complete leverage from the floor.

    This is synonymous to Judah KD-ing Mayweather. It was a clear solid knockdown where one fighter's momentum was used against himself.
     
  13. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beats me. But that was the general consensus in these boards.
     
  14. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I tend to like to discuss the technicalities of the sport from time to time.
    Pac's lead left is one of the best straight lefts in the sport.
    And this is one of those rather perfect counters of Pac that sadly got labeled "a slip due to entangling of their legs" when it's very clear that there wasn't any.
    And now it appears they're switching to "Pac stepped on JMM's toes".

    And who knows, maybe they get to fight one more time.:bbb
     
  15. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Because the general are stupid. Pacquiao was clearly starting to get to Marquez at that point and had him seriously hurt. There's a reason Marquez suffered a concussion after the fight.