Pac-JMM Numbers upgraded to 525K PPV!!!

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  1. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trace some more kid... Where did Norris get his 154 title??? Look!!! It's john Mugabi!!! Your Ego & inexperienced failed you!!! It's not Boxrec. It's you Moron!!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=532&cat=boxer
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    Yes, Norris got his WBC title from Mugabi. He wasn't LINEAL until he unified with the IBF champion Paul Vaden. If you trace the WBC belt back all the way, you will see that it was picked up VACANT by Duane Thomas when he beat Mugabi after Hearns had vacated it. You think the WBC title just suddenly became a lineal title?

    So what were you saying about my inexperience and ego?
     
  3. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But what I'm trying to Convey is That DLH's Lineal at 154 comes from Castillo which traces back to Norris then to Mugabi. So how could you said boxrec failed me????

    I'm demonstrating how to use Boxrec to trace lineage.
     
  4. Chileno606

    Chileno606 Gentleman & Scholar Full Member

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    :happy
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, Norris didn't get the Lineal title from Mugabi. He got the WBC title from him. Norris became LINEAL after beating Vaden years later.

    Simplifying this for you in a respectful manner (something you lack), Boxrec failed you because it tells you no context. All it showed you was that this belt came from that guy, to that guy. If you had known anything about Norris, you would have known that he unified and that the unification bout was considered a restart of the vacated Lineage. But that is not listed there.....

    It can be used to help trace lineage, but only if you know the context of the fights. Sometimes it won't tell you that, as I just demonstrated. If you had gone further back, you would have seen that the WBC title was vacated by Hearns breaking the Lineage. But it won't tell you how the Lineage got restarted. Historians and research elsewhere tells you that.

    You could try saying "oops, I messed up" and leaving it at that. I was saying something supportive of Pacquiao, and here you are looking for a fight.
     
  6. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't you know that the WBC & WBA is the oldest & most respected organization in 70-80s??? Most lineage in 50s turned into WBC & WBA. IBF is not even respected during that time. Just traced that IBF lineage?? Bunch of unknowns. As you said WBC was vacated by Hearns. So who took over??? Mugabi right?? That's why the lineage started there. What is that IBF lineage without the WBC title of Mugabi??? It will be nothing!!!

    How could i messed up when I traced further back than what you did???
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First off, the WBA is much older than the WBC.

    And secondly, you can't restart a lineage with a vacated title. And no, Duane Thomas (to you, and unknown) got the belt by BEATING Mugabi. And by the mid 90's (actually late 80's) the IBF was one of the big 3, so your assertion is ridiculous.

    You didn't trace back futher than me either. When Lineage is broken, the top fighters in the division have to fight for it to be restarted. This often means unification. Thomas picking up a vacated belt wouldn't have sufficed to restart the lineage even with a win over Mugabi because ATG Mike McCallum was the WBA champion. Any restart of Lineage would have had to involve him since he was considered every bit as good as Hearns when Hearns was champion, but Hearns was lineal because he beat Benitez.

    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrmiddle.htm

    Get over it.
     
  8. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At the end of the day, I traced DLH's Lineage from castillejo to norris to Mugabi. Boxrec can't lie. That is all there is to it in this discussion. Nope boxrec didn't failed me!!!
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    good for marquez and pacquiao ... this is going to pave the way for smaller fighters in mega fights ...
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You failed, it failed, whatever.
     
  11. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stop Crying kid!!!:yep
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good

    Funny thing is, I feel bad for you. Even when the evidence is in front of your face, you try to find a way to deny it.

    You can win the lineal title by winning the champions vacated belt.....LMAO. That's rich.
     
  13. El Presidente

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  14. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Dang, Wonder how much PAc totaled? He his purse was triple JMMs and he's the only one with a PPV cut. somewhere near $10 million?? is teh closed circuit in Manila included?
     
  15. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK you're not gonna stop crying!!!

    Who's more looks more like a legit 154 lbs Unification Championship at the 1st Glance??? Mugabi-Norris or Norris-Vaden??? Vaden who??? Mugabi is one of the Top guys in that era, NOBODY KNOWS THAT VADEN!!

    Norris Defending that Title he won against Mugabi with the likes of SRL & Meldrick Taylor said it all. How many times Norris defended the WBC title before the Vaden Fight??? Norris being the hunted guy by the Big names legitimized that belt as lineal. So your theory was wrong!!! Norris became Lineal not with the Vaden Fight but way before that. After he beat SRL, that fight confirms it. All he needs is beat Mugabi & SRL the two Top fighters at that time!!! Learn Kid!!!
     
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