Pac Man against the same ATGs The Ring put PBF up against

he stands a chance vs Arguello and Saddler. other than that no ****ing way would I consider picking pac in a bet

 

Are you seriously comparing even a faded Whitaker's defense to that of Manny Pacquiao's? Whitaker may have lost some footspeed and reflexes but he was still a defensively very competent fighter. I wouldn't buy into the southpaw thing too much. Pac has proved in the Cotto fight that he - despite his improved defense (mainly guard and not rushing in) - still is very much hittable. Oscar punches harder, is quicker and has MUCH better feet than Cotto. He also has a better right hand. In his prime just flat out much better than the likable but overrated Cotto overall.

I think Pac will give him some problems early on. After a few rounds, the fight will turn into somewhat of a brawl. Pac is never one to say no. Oscar lost a close but clear brawl to Shane a decade ago. Even in defeat, he proved his chin vs a harder and stronger puncher than Manny. Shane himself walked through some bombs but courtesy of his chin he took them. I'm not as convinced about Manny's chin as you seem to be. You're talking about it being cast-iron at JWW - I say it hasn't been tested there! He was hardly hit against Oscar and Clottey. Vs Cotto he appeared to dislike it to the body a bit, I noticed. A good chin even at WW I think, which is admirable. But could it hold up in a brawl which Oscar - behind or not - will make it into? No. Definitely not.

Your fights are not good comparisons IMO. Sorry, but they just seem too simplistic, like: "Oscar couldn't land **** on a faded Whitaker that was behind on cards to Hurtado. He lost to Mosley who was faster than him. Pac is both a lefty and faster than Oscar." Boxing doesn't work as simple as this.

Speed contributed to the loss to Shane yes, but even more so did his inferior power and stamina. Shane was on fire that night. And how do you know Oscar can't handle "that style"? If you don't count his fight against ATG elusive master Whitaker, which you really shouldn't, then what fight? Hopkins at MW perhaps, in which his movement due to weight was decreased and far from prime overall? And last but not least; Oscar was completely dead at the weight. The epitome of a shot fighter - so far away from his peak that you hardly can draw ANY parallels to a prime-vs-prime match-up. Pac, as opposed to what you say, WOULD come to him. A primed Oscar could counter with the left hook that even flat-footed Cotto repeatedly hit him with. Pac's in-and-out movemnent wouldn't work here. Oscar has a great chin, in contrast to Cotto's suspect one, and a brawl favors him. He would finish him off.

As for the other match-ups, he loses all of them I think with Arguello and Pryor as the closest ones, Pryor being almost 50-50. His chin, stamina and power outhussles Pac late in a FOTD candidate.

 

He loses to all of them in his prime. MAYBE he could bang it out against Sandy. That's about it though.

 

Pacquiao does not need to TKO or KO Oscar to win, with his great foot speed and punches from different angles, Pacquiao will fight from a distance and worn-out Oscar. With Oscar also having stamina issues, this is not hard to imagine.

 

lol @ a 7 weight champion not being able to beat some of these guys.

People on here are ridiculous and will do anything to protect the reputations of old fighters, because their fathers told them they was better.

 

well its a Fantasy Matchup so..

Pac Wins on All Of Them

 

Pac beats them all!! Pac's will end up the Greatest of all time. Pac will prove more!! He'll start with Cheato, Pwill, Martinez and hopefully the Duck can be Flush out of his Hole!!

 

...Or it could be because a lot of people, rightly if I may say so, perceive these fighters as better?

I've said it before and I will say it again: Pacquiao is a highly-ranked All-time-great and a fighter whose attitude I greatly admire. He will be missed when he retires.

From that to picking him again some of the H2H best at their respective weights... That step is huge. Cotto, his best win IMO and a top-3 win of the decade (because the weight jumping), is not on the level on these guys. It's that simple for me. You could delve into the styles thing against Oscar (which I did), Pryor or Arguello but to claim some old-timer bias just because Pac's previously been doubted and underrated is not the way to do it. The logic that "just because Pac's defied the odds he can do it again" is a bit silly I feel. Not everybody pick against him in fantasy match-ups because some curious, underlying abstract bias.

Pac is just one of those fighters that ranks much higher on resume than H2H. A lighweight Pacman would probably be a monster though.

 

Just look at who he beat to become a 7 division champ.

Cotto who on his best day wouldn't be able to carry Tito Jock Starp.
Hatton who on his best day wouldn't be able to Carry Oscar's Jock Strap.
David Diaz who on his best day wouldn't be able to carry Marquez' Jock Strap.
and so forth and so on....

Sometimes its not where you beat them, its WHO you beat.

 

ESB moderators Closed all Pacdbest's threads, Coz they got embarassed!!! It used to be Pac vs DLH, Hatton, Cotto & PBF were all fantasy fights. All but one happened already and Pac was way more impressive that what Pacd ever imagined. I just let History declare Pac as the GOAT. No need to defend this coz Pac's still Bulldozing this current part of histoiry.

 

Manny didn't do **** at 140 except finish off Hatton....Juan Lozcano almost did that:deal

 

They did it because he was an annoying ****.

 

Do you want me to dig what u said before Pac beat all those guys u discreditting?

 

Don't you know he's the same lame who thinks emmanuel has better TIMING than Young Mayweather?