Pac-Man Mayweather: Breaking down the Megafight

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  1. pejevan

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    One thing that people are forgetting is that Mayweather throws 1-2 punches when countering. If he throws more than that against Pac, it will become a slugfest and not one that bodes well with Mayweather.

    Mayweather nowadays seldom throws combination.s. Even against the outmatched, outmuscled JMM, there were no combnations whatsoever.

    His defense is good but if Pac throws 70-80 power shots each round and lands even 5 percent of it, that pretty boy would not be pretty anymore.
     
  2. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    That is precisely what Pac will do, do not allow Mayweather to breathe. Punching from all angles at the same time moving so that you would not be effectively countered.

    If Marquez was able to connect against Floyd while throwing 20 punches per round, and Hatton connected by 17% when it was not even a slugfets, even the least assumption of a 15 per cent connect for Pac would be entirely different because 50 punches in that rounds are power punches.

    BTW, even if Mayweather would have a connect rate of 40%, that would still be negated by the fact that Mayweather does not have actually a high workrate. In most of his fights, he is in 40s simply because he picks his spots.
     
  3. Pimp C

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  4. Pimp C

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    I agree Pac is very sloppy and he can get away with those mistakes against lesser fighters but against PBF he won't have that luxury PBF will make him pay time and time again for his flawed style. He has the reach, footwork, speed and countering ability to do it. PBF is a stylistc nightmare for Pac and will thoroughly outbox him when they meet.:deal
     
  5. Pimp C

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    Yet another factor people overlook. PBF's opponents connect % is horrible while he routinely lands close to 50%. Not only that his opponents workrate drops as well.
     
  6. link2296

    link2296 Boxing Addict banned

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    When analyzing Pac, most people make the mistake of watching older fights and they shouldn't. The only fights anyone should watch regarding analysis are his last three. He is a different fighter. He has actually has become a superior boxer. He now uses angles along with his brand of speed, power, and volume. This version of Pac is a very difficult fight for anyone, including and especially Floyd Mayweather.
     
  7. Silver

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    the problem with you argument is that the last three fighters didnt not have the defense to counter pac's offense. as a matter of fact, NO fighter pac has fought had great defense.
     
  8. Pimp C

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    Exactly he fights guys who are there to be hit. The guy has never faced a defensive wizard who won't brawl with him like he wants and will look to outbox him.
     
  9. db21

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    You can't look at Pac-man's last three fights and try to make an intelligent determination as to how he would do against Mayweather. None of the three opponents have a style similar to Mayweather. Each of the past 3 fighters were flat footed straight forward fighters (ODH, Hatton, and Cotto). Mayweather is a defense first crisp counter puncher. The closest Pac-man has seen with that mentality is Juan Manuel Marquez. Go back and look at the 2008 fight between the two, if JMM stays on his feet he wins the fight (both fights) but to Pac-Man's credit he knocked him down.

    The reason that Marquez does well against Pac-man is he is a counter puncher, Pac-man has trouble with counter-punchers. Period. That doesn't diminish him as a fighter, he's still a great, great fighter, but he has problems against intelligent counter punchers.

    Now, he is going up against the best most intelligent counter puncher (this side of Bernard Hopkins) in the game. Not to mention all the other measurable advantages Mayweather has over Pac-man. (height, reach, weight, size etc)

    Pac-man's only real chance is to land a big punch (like he did against Marquez in both fights, had he not landed those big punches that dropped Marquez, he would have lost both fights)

    Don't be fooled by Pac-Man's last three opponents, while they were good fighters in their own right, they were tailor made for Pac-man's style.

    Mayweather style is tailor made for Pac-man.

    Styles make fights (I can't stress that enough)

    This is not a good fight for Pac-man.
     
  10. Fab2333

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  11. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    true, mayweather's one true weakness is his punchout put. this is why pac has a chance of outworking him and winnina a decison. but you have to understand that even though mayweather throws 1 or 2 punches counter punches, they usually land FLUSH. thats why he dropped marquez with a clean left hook. pac didnt get hit that clean against, cotto, hatton or dlh. he will against mayweather. and if he gets hit by too many flush shots, he could get knocked out. pac and roach will also have a defensive gameplan against mayweather to try to prevent this from happening.
     
  12. Silver

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    actually his best chance to beat mayweather is to outwork him. because landing one big punch on mayeather is too diffcult. just like bernard hopins, who you mentioned, has never been koed and will probably never because he wont give you the opportunity to land a big punch, but you can out work him, which is how he has been beat. as for the other things you, said, gotta agree. mayeather has too many advantages in terms of styles and size.
     
  13. db21

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    Mayweather's style is to throw 1-2 clean accurate punches at a time. If Pac-man's gameplan is to outwork him, that's going to open him up to more counter punch opportunities.

    In mentioning BHOP, he is an intelligent fighter, and its not simply the work rate that gives him trouble. He has trouble with fighters with handspeed. ( Losses to RJJ, Calzahge, and two losses to Jermain Taylor, I'm not counting his first professional fight which was a MD loss). BHOP never had the handspeed to counter these fast punchers. If Pacman utilizes this ideology and tries to out work Mayweather, Mayweather DOES have to the hand speed to counter.
     
  14. Leonard

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    pac sometimes brings something new to the table. so, we'll never know unless the fight gets done.
     
  15. Silver

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    speed does trouble bhop especailly late in his career. as for pac, hes going to have to throw and throw more then he has ever had in his career in an attempt to smother mayweather because waiting to land one big punch will only result in mayweather dancing his was way to a decision. he going to have to eat more counter punches then ever before. but the problem is the speed,as you say and also timing. mayweather is great at timing guys. this is why it always seemed that a bigger fighter like mosley or williams might beat mayweather, a guy who can take his counter punchers with relative ease and still attack, and outphysical mayweather.