Pac Marquez 4 - What adjustments need to be made

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  1. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    what you and the other posters need to realise is differant judges like differnt things. Thats a fact of boxing.

    Marquez landed some great eyecatching shots, however you can't guarantee your going to win, if the other guy throws and lands more shots, and is the aggressor. Because some judges prefer that over the single eye catching shots.

    If they shouldn't send Marquez out to do exactly the same and hope he gets the benefit of the doubt this time.
    If he wants to guarantee the victory he also needs to outland Manny, Maybe throw more, maybe be the aggressor.

    Either way he needs to make adjustments if he wants to guarantee a win.
     
  2. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    one adjustment pac could make is he need to vary the speed of his attacks. he can some times just plod forward at the same speed all night. he needs to very it alot and keep marquez guessing.
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's true. But really, only one judge matters, and that's me :D. Regardless of what the officials prefer to see in a fight, I still see JMM as a man who's got Pac's number and will likely repeat the trick this December. According to my scoring and criteria, he'll get the better.
     
  4. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    :D

    Fair enough.

    In fairness, i think if he performs the same he'll get the nod this time. I think it will be in the back of any judges mind, the criticism from the last fight, and close rounds will likely go to Marquez this time.
     
  5. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Pacquiao underestimated Marquez last time. As did I.

    Let's be honest, they probably thought they were going to steamroll him, and look very impressive doing so. As did I.

    Marquez needs to stick to a similar gameplan. Feinting using hand, foot and body, it makes Pacquiao anxious, in turn making him force his work. Circling away from that left (although Pacquiao did much better negating this against Bradley). I also liked the way he was slipping outside that left using very impressive footwork. A little hop and slip to get past the left, and then worked combinations to the open target.

    If he is going to impress the judges with his work, his concentration and effort needs to be there for the full 12. He needs to land first and last, highlight the fact that he is landing the more effective punches more often.

    Pacquiao, well, he looked more impressive against Bradley, but that's down to the opponent. His footwork needs to be more efficient. His footspeed has declined recently, so this is the time to actually apply footwork in to the gameplan, not just rely on speed. It doesn't take much to match Marquez's footspeed, but work is another matter, something I'm not sure Pacquiao can do. It can't be a chess match in terms of footwork IMO, this favours Marquez, but Pacquiao's footwork can be more refined. Combine this with his bursts of footspeed, and he can trouble Marquez more than he did last time out.

    Another major factor has to be that right hook. Marquez is going to take that left hand away as much as he can. Finish on that right hookas much as possible, it's a powerful shot, and a shot that Marquez may not see coming if thrown regularly enough.

    One last point, when Marquez jabs, hooks, or jabs, uppercuts with that left...instead of covering up, fire that left down the pipe. A lot of what Marquez gets away with is down to the fact that he makes Pacquiao cautious to throw at certain times. Which is why you see a lot of the time Marquez actually leaning in (even over his front foot at times) and Pacquiao is unwilling to throw and chooses to cover up.
     
  6. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    another adjustment pac could do is wait for juan manuel to attack, it'd be boring but it'll throw juan manuel out of his game plan.

    EDIT: JMM already adjusted to pac's attack since the 1st round of the 1st fight.
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    Well said!
     
  8. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Very easy first for Manny...
    Remember all that feint, Step to side & right hook **** Roach taught you??
    Yeah... Forget about that.
    Your jab ain't that good go back to "Wild Manny".
    (You ain't a "Boxer", you are a savage)

    For Marquez: rinse & repeat, Don't get caught up in Manny's fight.
    Make PAC play follow the leader & counter the **** out of him.
     
  9. fight_night

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    Marquez showboat a little to catch the eye of the crowd and judges. like lifting his hands when going to the corner at the end of the round. I know its not his personality but it might sneak him a round or two. And it should mess with pacquiaos head.
     
  10. kadyo

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    This is what I'm saying, pac must wait this time around for marquez to initiate. Boring it will be but it'll worth the wait. No pun intended.
     
  11. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    :deal Bingo. Manny Pacquiao does not know how to cut the ring off for **** and he only follows in straight lines. Roach will not work on that with Manny and they are hoping to catch JMM with something to put him out and that is their game plan.

    I picked JMM last time and I will pick him again bc even if Manny brings something different JMM can and will adjust.
     
  12. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    True he can make JMM take the lead like Floyd did him but I still don't see it working bc Manny doesn't have that jab to really sustain that game plan nor does he have the defense. JMM can simply shoot a jab and the old Manny will come right back and JMM will counter. Hell one counter punch from JMM will make Manny start following him around for the rest of the round tapping his gloves together.
     
  13. randomwalk

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    I think Manny needs to use his jab more. Also he like to jab jab straight left. I think he should jab jab feint hard and look for openings.
     
  14. Porgeous Porge

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    Marquez has always done enough to just fall short on the judges cards, i feel Lederman is right when he said that Pac's style just leaps out and attracts the judges more, he is flashy

    Marquez and Bradley both made Pac miss with odd upper body leaning, Bradley took it to another athletic level and really leaned and dodged some shots to the point where it looked like misses landed

    Bradley's success came from body punching and jabbing, Marquez would be real suited to hit the body

    People mention foot stepping he did it in fight 2 and in fight 3, he needs to do that to slow him down, i know its dirty and not in the rules but try to get away with it, **** do what you can

    its also imperative that Marquez doesnt go down, it did him in with the first 2 fights, i know you cant plan that or control that but that was a product of being real aggressive something he wasnt in fight 3 and thats why he never got caught and put down

    but can he win without being super aggressive, maybe this fight he can slow Pac down a little more but he needs to fight all 12 rounds careful and do a bit more

    i love their fights because they always fight to finish the exchange, each guy wants the last say, the key to this fight is be the last guy to land
     
  15. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    That would be a good idea if he had a good jab. He doesn't commit to it and that is a major problem.