Pac Marquez 4 - What adjustments need to be made

What i would find interesting is if Manny tried to be defensive and made JMM open up and try to counter with his superior power and maybe catch Marquez not normally offensive out of position and out of comfort

 

Be the last guy to land? Well JMM was the first and the last to land in their 3rd fight the majority of the time.

 

in each exchange, i cant remember what pundit it was but they said JMM was like Leonard the best fighter who responded to being hit, gets hit and fires back immediately

Pac and JMM always compete for last say in exchanges, JMM needs to land the last punch to get Manny's respect and swing the judges

i cant say much strategically for JMM, he has fought Flawless vs Pac for long stretches of their bouts, but bad luck has cost him 3 times

for him to win he has to just do a little more or be a little smarter or try something different, i dont know he has fought so well and has always came up short

 

marquez needs to do nothing but just a repeat of the 3rd fight is enough. With both fighters slowing down due to age, the advantage goes to marquez since pac has tremendously declined since after clottey.

pac on the other hand, needs to..I could go on but he will do what he always do, I don't expect anything different from him. Marquez is already very familiar with him and I currently give him a 30% chance of winning. He is on the way out and I think even roach knows this, there will be no more strategies but they have just to keep pac in condition to go for the full 12 rounds and give the fans an exciting fight because that is probably what is on pac's mind just to entertain people

I like to add that much of the reason for swing rounds/close rounds is due to the exchanges, there are times pac gets the better of the exchanges. HBO crew influence and the cheering definitely affects some judging. Marquez needs to get the better of the exchanges, do not let pac have his moments that will sway judges in a round he dominated for 2 mins. Evident is that most of the boxing community scored the fight to marquez but when it comes to rounds won there will be alot of differences between the scoring and that is where pac gets his luck or his case for winning

 

I think Marquez fought his best fight last time. I agree with several posters that he should do the same thing for the most part. One exception being to never listen when his corner says he is winning. Never take any rounds off especially towards the end of the fight. Any other adjustments will probably play more into Pac's hands. Do the same thing and hope the judges score more like the fans around here and the larger percentage of bystanders myself excluded.

For Pac, the last fight was certainly NOT at his best. It looked to me like he was trying to prove he could out box Marquez with all the things he has learned since Part 2. That didn't work well. His boxing has certainly improved greatly, but Marquez is one of the best counter puncher boxers ever. Pac needs his speed and ferocity to beat JMM. He needs to jump in, land some bombs, and jump out. Fight the whole round. I'm not sure that is still physically possible anymore.

Alternatively, he could do what Floyd did and make JMM the aggressor which is totally out of JMM's comfort zone... But that would never happen with Pac.

 

Both of these go against what Manny does. I hate this kind of style that Martinez and Manny (recently Floyd too) of appealing to the fans. Forget that, dont give yer opponent more opportunities to beat ya.

Back to Manny, we know him as a brawler with no patience and that's how he became the talented fighter he is know. Problem is JMM abuses that trait and is such a master counter puncher he can keep getting Pacquiao to react by covering up once JMM feints. Pacquiao still catches him with his speed and deceptiveness but I see his lack of patience and wanting to appeal to fans too much as things that will be picked apart again by JMM.

I think this will be a repeat of the third but slightly faster paced. Would lie if I said I had no interest in this fight. And tbf, we may never get another quad-series in a long time so lets just appreciate not only this fight but the series in general.

 

People who bring/brought up the "foot-stomping" after the third bout did so because they knew Marquez had done enough to win, so they tried to taint that win. There was no "foot-stomping". This is natural when an aggressive southpaw takes on an aggressive counter puncher. Did both guys take advantage of these accidents? Definitely, but there was no gameplan. The exchanges are too fast paced to keep up with that sort of gameplan. And in truth, it's a waste of attention.

 

Hmm I reckon that JMM will win again unless Manny stops being so impatient and letting one simple head feint reset his whole rhythm. Manny couldn't plant his feet or build any momentum against JMM because all JMM had to do is feint with his head and manny completely reset or jumped out which meant jmm could attack with those lethal body head combos.

 

I made a thread on it after the third bout. I noted the times, and who "foot-stomped" throughout the 3 bouts. It was definitely not any type of gameplan. Both boxers tripped over each others feet, and both just happened to "foot stomp". I am a southpaw, I tripped over many boxers feet many a time, same as they tripped over mine. It is literally how the stances are. Same way a southpaw and orthodox are more likely to clash heads together. It is an old school trick, but the exchanges in all 3 bouts were too quick to even attempt that sort of gameplan.

That thread I made got very little attention, and for good reason.

 

Nah, you fight southpaws by getting superior foot placement. Like I said, my thread points out both boxers tripping over and "foot-stomping". It was not one way, which means they are more than likely accidental rather than gameplan.

 

Pacquiao needs to land a lucky punch to win. Marquez schools him again.

 

marquez is as durable as ever now that he has all this muscle on him

 

Muscle doesn't necessarily equal durability to be fair.