Pac/Mayweather, who is to blame?

I believe its Bob Arums fault. First off he is being forced to negotiate a fight with two people whom he promoted and left him on bad terms. He had to excuse himself from negotiations early on because it was too emotional for him???
He did most of the negative talk in the press from the get go and seemed to be trying to sabotage the fight early on.
The blood testing issue was there from the beginning. Pac's side made a huge issue over it which I think is completely unjustified considering Mayweather was willing to go to a 14 day cutoff and was also subject to the very same testing.
As far as Pac, hes no better than Mayweather with his demands lately. To me making a fighter subject himself to a blood test 14 days or even five days before a fight is not nearly as bad as making a welterweight champion fight at a lower catchweight regardless of whats in the rules or not. The demands and statements Pac has made regarding Yuri Foreman and the ten million dollar penalty for Mayweather being a pound overweight is making him look pretty bad, but this fight imploded because of Bob Arum.
He cant stand the fact that Oscar and Mayweather would be making this kind of money, and his ego is so big that he would sacrifice what could possibly be a ressurecting fight for the sport of boxing.
Shame on you Bob Arum you angry old man.

 

Floyd is to blame.

I agree that He did not want the fight and thought of the drug testing to get himself out, it is a pity that a lot of the non hardcore fans will blame Pac for not getting the testing and will say he was/is on the roids.

Floyd is what is wrong with boxing., his legacy with hardcore fans will take a big dive as his best win is still over Corrales, when it could of been Pac/SSM/Cotto etc...

 

The Olympic style testing notion was indeed unprecedented. As was Pacquiao's demand of a $10 million dollar fine for every pound Floyd came in over the limit. Floyd agreed to Pac's demands immediately, as well as the demand he placed on Pac regarding the drug testing. Pac not only refused, but sued. I don't think less of Floyd because I expected this kind of behavior out of him. On the other hand, I've lost all respect for, and am now very suspicious of Manny Pacquiao. He came out of this whole ordeal a lot worse, IMO.

 

Its both fighters fault imo Manny should have just flat out refused the olympic style testing from the get go instead we had his team constantly changing the reasons why he couldnt take blood and the time limits for when the tests should take place. Its floyd fault for asking in the first place then mannys fault for the way his team handled it which makes him look a little suspicious.

 

My sentiments as well. Random blood testing is a ridiculous request while a $10 mil per lb fine is OK? **** that, **** mayweather, **** pacquiao, and **** arum. shane mosley all day. :deal

 

EVERYONE!

Floyd for allowing others to get into his ear to set forth test that have never been put forth before.

Pac for not saying "Ok, fine" taking the test and sue him anyway. I mean seriously, for 40 mil you can take a damn test.

Arum (most especially) for coming up with these ridiculous excuses for not being able to take the test and bringing forth nothing but negativity instead of doing his job as a promoter and finding a way to make the situation work. He had no intentions of finding a middle ground in order to place the blame completely on the Floyd camps shoulders.

I must say, it's absolutely embarrassing that in this current era they can't get the best two fighters in the same division in the ring with one another....pathetic situation.

 

If Pac had simply agreed to go ahead with the testing (what was the real issue if not for the fact that he was masking something? pride? over $40 million) where would Floyd have to turn? If he'd continued making demands or backed out of the fight after that, it would just confirm what I and everyone else already knows, that Floyd is a *****. The blood test was Floyd's demand, the fine per poundage was Pacquiao's. Floyd agreed, Pacquiao didn't, and decided to sue. I have to say I blame Pacquiao more.

 

Pacquiao

 

Both sides are right and wrong in a sense.

The commissions oversee fights and do their own drug testing, fighters can ask for things outside in the norm in the contracts. Mayweather can ask for more stringest drug testing, as anyone with a basic knowledge of the drug testing in boxing knows that it doesn't take a genius to get around the testing, and Pacquiao can ask for penalties for an opponent being overweight as he has done on several occassions. As I've said before, things in the contract outside the norm aren't exactly unprecedented, and almost always the fighter with more leverage (i.e. box office power) is the one benefitting from it.

Basically, I blame both of these ****ers and their camps for not coming to a compromise. In big fights like this, sides need to compromise. The difference was 10 days, is it THAT hard to meet in the middle?

 

I'm upset at the situation in general because I was dying to see this fight, and I'm surprised, honestly, that a compromise could not have been met.

I think Floyd's reasoning about a fighter being able to move up and not maintain speed and power was unsound. It's a mix of training, conditioning, diet, and genes.

Floyd himself started his amateur career at 108 and has still maintained, in my opinion, a fair amount of pop to his punches.

Not trying to throw anyone under the bus here or discredit Pac's wins, but look at Pac's welterweight accomplishments. They all have some "baggage" if you will:

De La Hoya: Old, weight-drained, has been on the slide for a while, and got soundly beaten by the younger man.

Hatton: Floyd KO'ed him and he's been wobbled enough times in his career to indicate that his chin was not granite. Pac started fast and aggressive against him, something that is not known to happen with Hatton, and he got KO'ed. One could argue that Floyd could have accomplished the same or similar thing.

Cotto: God only knows how the thrashing by Margarito (whether it was on the level or not) affected him.

I'm not making excuses for Pac's losing opponents. All I am saying is that Floyd's argument about moving up in weight does not seem all that legit.

I'm rambling. It is what it is. If they're not going to fight each other, I'd love to see at least one of them fight Shane Mosley. Depending on how he does in his next outing, of course.

 

That's all that needs to be said. I can't say i like Floyd's antics outside of the ring, but he went along with Pac's shitty demand and made an unprecented, but not unrealistic one himself.

Pac backed out. Not Floyd. What was Floyd supposed to say: "Oh, you're using steroids, i didn't know that. Let's drop that testing bit then and go at it anyway!"

 

I never really bought into the suspicion of Pacquiao using PEDs because of him going through the size and getting bigger. His increase in size isn't all that much different than Mayweather, both around 105 lbs as teenagers. He's mostly just cut more weight, he weighed unofficially 144 in the Morales rematch in January 2006, 145 in the Marquez rematch in March 2008, 147 against Diaz, 148.5 against DLH, 148 against Hatton.

Basically, my suspicion towards Pacquiao was always the same as other fighters. They MAY be on it, since it's all around sports, and it's not as if boxing has really strict testing anyway.