Pac/Mayweather, who is to blame?

It cuts both ways, if I was Floyd I'd have told Pac to take a walk as well. Rules shouldn't be made up by fighters, they should be set by authorities and the same for everyone at all times.

However, Floyd didn't need to fight the weight concession when he knew all along he had his little trump card get-out clause already tucked up his sleeve. By conceding to Pac on that score fully in the knowledge the fight would never happen anyway, he managed to emerge from this looking ok in the eyes of some.

 

Thank Christ the Classic is recognizing this, over on the General Floyd's sneaky bull**** seems to have convinced the masses.

 

FM looks FAR from ok IMO, he`s a disgrace to the sport.... but so is MP, he should either never agreed to different blood testing from the start or followed it all the way thru.

FM admits that money is thee most important thing to him, above legacy & fans.... MP says the fans are who he fights for, well, both he & FM have just royally fkd every boxing fan worldwide from hardcore-casual & for what ?... complete childish bull****.

I accept that MP is your fav fighter, I respect that, Id look for every angle not to blame Morales if the boot was on the other foot, no doubt.... but both fighters had it within their power to save this mega-fight & NEITHER did ****.... & at the end of the day, it WAS MP that put an end to the fight by walking away despite having the 14 day window, if he said yes to the 14 days & FM came up with something else, FM would have been crucified by the fans.

If MP had rejected the tests from day one, FM would have got the blame as its an unusual demand... but like I said, MP agreed then backed out halfway thru after FM agreed to some ludicrous demands himself. It looks bad but IMO both are a disgrace.

Thats that.

 

Pacquiao. Obviously.

He made the precedent setting demand for the weight penalty and Floyd consented. Given Floyd's history, if he had wanted to back out, Floyd could have complained about having to pay that much and then backed out (it would have been annoying, but in character), but he didn't.

Then Floyd made a precedent setting demand and Pacquaio said no. Then Floyd changed it to include a 14-day window without testing, which gives the number one pound-for-pound boxer in the world the 3 to 5 days that he and Freddie say that he needs to recover from getting blood drawn. And Pacquaio still said no. And sued.

If Pacquaio and Roach are being honest about the issues that Manny has with getting blood drawn, then why walk away? Frustration with having your opponent agree to your demands and then agree to make compromises to fit your either psychosomatic or deceptive needs? Frustration with having negative things said about you? Either of those things are sad qualities in any adult, much less a professional athlete, much less one of Manny's caliber.

 

Agreed. When Hearns & Steward accused Leonard of using steroids, you didn't see Leonard filing a lawsuit or getting overemotional about it.

Pacquiao's easier to like since he doesn't act like a jackass and hasn't wasted the last 2+ years doing nothing like Mayweather, but he can a diva just like Leonard/DLH/Mayweather in negotiations. Weight stipulations including massive penalties, almost cancelling a fight over a 2% change in purse split.

When you have big egos in boxing, with camps that believe they have the negotiating leverage and should get things their way, compromise is needed. They couldn't come to some sort of compromise. Mayweather wasn't happy with a 24 day cutoff. Well blood-testing with a 24 day cutoff is far better drug testing than the norm. Pacquiao not happy with the implications of him using PEDs? Well passing all the tests with a 14 day cutoff, beating Mayweather, and collecting $40 million all sound nice. Do you think your opponents like having to pay massive fees for being overweight, or having to weigh 2 lbs. below the weight limit?

When egos are so big that they can't compromise and give the sport something it really needs, they both deserve blame. Especially when you consider what they gave up.

Then again, it might just happen later in the year so this whole sad saga will be laughed at.

 

How exactly is he a disgrace to the sport?

 

Mayweather's actions since the end of 2007 have been pretty pathetic. He's fought none of the guys around his weight class that the fans want him to see. This is not a case where he's a guy working his way up and on the outside looking in, trying to get a fight. Which is why I'm less critical of his 140 lb. stay, as Tszyu was a Showtime fighter (HBO and Showtime will reluctantly work together for Lewis-Tyson, but by comparison, who the **** are Tszyu and Mayweather?), Arum wanted more experience for Cotto, and Hatton's team wanted Ricky to get a bigger name of himself in the states.

However, by virtue of his fights in 2007, Floyd became a much bigger star where he could pick his opponents and get the fights he wanted. Welterweight had some very good fighters to choose from. Floyd instead negotiated a rematch with De La Hoya, and when he wasn't happy with the money split, he "retired". Then he comes back to fight a lightweight in Marquez. Okay for a return after 21 months off, but it's got to be followed up with a tough opponent. Now the talk is about Campbell or Malignaggi. Ugh. The talk of him fighting Cintron looks great by comparison.

 

So you think he is disgraceful because he wanted to have a rematch for a split decision fight that made him a lot of money and then retired instead to take a break from years of excelling in what I'm sure you'd agree is a physically taxing sport? Why? His decision makes sense. I don't like it. But it makes sense.

He beat the number 2 p4p fighter in the world. Any other fighter can take a tune up fight with no layoff against a B level fighter who history will remember solely for being in that tune up fight, and that's fine. But Floyd fights the number 2 p4p fighter in the world after 21 months and outboxes him for twelve rounds, and that's merely "okay"? Perhaps there is something at work other than bias in this vast disparity of opinion, but I don't see it.

I would also like him to fight a "tough opponent", but assuming he doesn't, that makes him a disgrace? That one thing not only undoes all of his accomplishments, but actually makes him a "disgrace"? That's nonsense.

 

He should have just left this testing **** alone.... MP is clearly more to blame here, he was looking for a way out but FM gave him that way out.

Be honest, FM beats MP blood testing or not, why jeopardise maybe the richest fight in history by asking for **** that gives the other guy a chance to pull out ?

MP is plain & simply a cowardly little drama queen ***** but it takes 2 to tango, the Hatton fight got done, the DLH & Cotto fights got done... the one we want most didnt get done... I blame both because both had the power to save the fight & didnt.

When everything was on the verge of collapse, one of these pricks should have stood up & said `hold on, this aint happening, I`ll agree to his bull****, just get me the contract because I want to sign it & kick his ass in that ring`

Thats what a real fighter should do, neither did, which is why I dont even type any of their names in full. Im not happy at all with this farce, not at all.

Thats all.

 

I don't agree. If Floyd wanted a way out then just don't take the fight and wait till it blows over. Or don't agree to the $10 million a pound penalty. Or don't offer any compromise to the original testing offer which Manny turned down. Honestly, there were so many opportunities for Floyd to get out of this but you still think that it's all some plan to hide his cowardice?

Well, yes, I think so, but I disagree that it's a foregone conclusion.

Because he has a history of being overly cautious.

Drama queen? *****? That sounds like just personal dislike.

The difference is that Floyd agreed to a precedent setting demand and Manny ran away because either his feelings were hurt or because he is juicing.

Maybe, but that didn't happen. I don't see how this makes Floyd a "disgrace to the sport".

Manny left negotiations. Not Floyd.

Ok. But it's still Manny's fault. And Floyd isn't a disgrace. Just disappointing.

 

Obviously you are not looking things clearly. Pac has an elections coming at May, that is why he made the Clottey fight. If you have not noticed Pac is the most active P4P fighter today. Early on the negotiations this was already discussed that is why March 13 was agreed despite Roach thinking it was too soon from the Cotto fight.

MP has his fair share of blame, but this is non-issue had the fight proceeded as any traditional fight did. It's a 147 fight, what more could FMJ ask for? You were not so concerned about this PED's bull**** before Sr opened his mouth. Floyd already has most of the advantages, it's his fight to lose.

 

It's human nature to sit on the fence when there is a dispute and you are not tied to either side, but there is virtually never equal culpability in conflicts, and so is the case here. Yes, we feel let down and disgusted that the fight isn't happening, and that a fight between two men isn't happening indicts both men on a surface level, but looking at the actual reason why the fight isn't happening, it's because one man tried to impose a random condition on the other, the other refused to be imposed upon, and the first man then held onto his condition as a means of stopping the fight happening. That's the situation here. You can slag off Pacquiao, Roach, Arum and anyone else you fancy, but the situation is that Mayweather thought up a condition that he could sell to his fans as a legitimate reason, and used it to avoid the fight whilst retaining a semblance of righteousness to his own fawning fanbase. It's so ****ing transparent, and I'm so glad that Raging Bull had the guts and the insight to write the thread-starting post. Open your eyes to reality William.

 

The blood testing issue as well as the weight issue has been in the contracts since day 1. It wasnt until Manny started balking that Arum starting talking.
THeyve managed to fool many people into thinking a simple blood test to make 40 million dollars is an acceptable road block from keeping this fight from happening. It doesnt matter whats in the rules, many concessions are made to make these type of fights.
Arum has promoted some of the biggest pre madonna's ever, this is nothing new to him. When you've negotiated as many fights as he has and this being one of the stand outs of his career, he could have persuaded Manny or Floyd to come to a compromise.
Arum says that Don King would have slapped Floyd in the head if he was promoting him. I would have slapped Arum in the head for not making a better effort then he did. This was divorce court at the highest level of hate, the hatred is that strong on Arums part, considering the circumstances of, Golden Boy getting a piece of all of Manny's fights under Top Rank, and the fact that Mayweather and ODLH who have both sued Arum and won, are involved.

 

The bottom line is Pacquaio/Arrum are the 1s who walked away from the fight and line up another fight, Mayweather still wanted it, theres only 3 reasons:

1. Pac is on PEDs
2. Pac didnt want the fight
3. Arrum wanted to keep his cash cow as P4P no1 and keep him in house

Mayweather should have gone with the 24days blood tests, Pac might be cheating but Mayweather should win either way.

Mayweather hasnt always taken on all comers but Pacquaios team is at fault here