Pac Needs To Just Take The Test, Right?

twopiece · May 2, 2010

Asterion said: ↑

Pacquiao has to take the tests. He has to decide.

They are harmless. Even a cheater like Shane Mosley took them.

There are only two reasons of why Pacman would not take the tests:

a) He knows the test results will be bad for him.

b) He fears Mayweather and doesn't want to fight him, and refuses the tests because of that.
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These are also good points. I mean, that's really all there is to it. Why let "pride" be the reason for you depriving the fans and yourself of a legacy fight. Why let "pride" be the reason for you depriving yourself of a staggering payday? I don't buy the pride excuse. You narrowed it down right here, Asterion.

The blood tests that both fighters took didn't stop us from witnessing a high level fight tonight. Pac should just take the tests, go whip Floyd's ass for asking for the tests, and then get paid. Two out of three won't be bad if he loses.

Pimp C · May 2, 2010

If he doesn't test now he looks even worse than he did before. even the crowd at the fight during the post fight interview was screeming for it.

LabCabinCali · May 2, 2010

yup...thats the only good fight now.

itrymariti · May 2, 2010

PetethePrince said: ↑

I'm not interesting in a moral or righteous debate on the issue. I've been there, it's been talked about.
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Fair enough, I wasn't looking for one.

PetethePrince said: ↑

At this juncture, we can't say Floyd never asked of his opponents to do blood tests. There's a record for it, and he will continue doing this for future opponents. Any future opponent, and he has made that clear. If Pac wants the fight and cares about the fans, logically that's the step that needs to happen for this fight to be made.
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All of Pacquiao's opponents (certainly the vast majority) have effectively complied with his rules - the commission rules. So doesn't it work the other way?

PetethePrince said: ↑

If you honestly think Floyd would give up his demands now you're crazy.
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I can't see Pacquiao capitulating either.

PetethePrince said: ↑

The burdern is on Pac to comply because Floyd his drawn his line in the sand, and there's a record for blood-taking tests now.
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Hasn't Pacquiao, too? There's been one fight with Mayweather's rules (Mayweather/Mosley) and millions with Pacquiao's. And why should the less stubborn fighter have to give in anyway?

PetethePrince said: ↑

Plus, I think it would look bad on Pac's part. Blood-testing is a step forward for boxing and sports. A good step-forward if efficient and practical. Manny should take the test.
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This argument I can understand. But I think you're being dishonest by suggesting that the onus is on Pacquiao to comply for any other reason than, simply, blood testing is good. This is what it comes down to, not a "logical" reason or whatever else you're suggesting above.

PetethePrince · May 2, 2010

itrymariti said: ↑

Fair enough, I wasn't looking for one.

All of Pacquiao's opponents (certainly the vast majority) have effectively complied with his rules - the commission rules. So doesn't it work the other way?
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His rules? You're saying other fighters haven't made demands. Remember Morelas making him wear certain gloves. That was in the contract. What's the difference between something like that and this?

I can't see Pacquiao capitulating either.
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Well then we clearly don't have a fight, and that's what the problem is. No budge, no fight. That will look bad for Pac, especially since now there's a record of Floyd having made an opponent do this. There's precedence.

Hasn't Pacquiao, too? There's been one fight with Mayweather's rules (Mayweather/Mosley) and millions with Pacquiao's. And why should the less stubborn fighter have to give in anyway?
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No, Roach did by saying let the commission do their jobs. Hopefully, Nevada grows the balls to start mandating blood-testing.

What are you talking about millions of fights Pac's way? Pac asked for a catch-weight in a championship fight. Pac got DLH to come down to 147. Morales got Pac to wear the gloves he wanted. These sort of things happen all the time in negotiations. Pac should give in for boxing's sake. I just want the fight to happen. There's no moral or righteous or even fair reason to why Pac should, rather than Mayweather not asking these demands. But I went over how I don't want to turn this into a principle matter.

This argument I can understand. But I think you're being dishonest by suggesting that the onus is on Pacquiao to comply for any other reason than, simply, blood testing is good. This is what it comes down to, not a "logical" reason or whatever else you're suggesting above.
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That's only because you're coming from an ethical standpoint. One at which I don't adhere to. This isn't really about a need or must but a should. And that's not the only reasons, you just disagree with those reasons and my viewpoint. That's fine. Everybody from our radio show to the posters just think Manny needs to take the test. If he doesn't, we don't get a fight. Maybe you care about the pride and morality issue. Floyd will never have a fight that doesn't involve blood-testing. Period.
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ciscobox · May 2, 2010

yup, this fight is a must see

ciscobox · May 2, 2010

itrymariti said: ↑

Mayweather needs to just drop the demands, right?

It works both ways. Hopefully they will compromise.
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:good

itrymariti · May 2, 2010

PetethePrince said: ↑

His rules? You're saying other fighters haven't made demands. Remember Morelas making him wear certain gloves. That was in the contract. What's the difference between something like that and this?
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You're missing my point. If you're arguing for Mayweather's demands based on the fact that that there's an established record of them being in play, consisting of one fight, why not bring up the countless instances where they haven't been employed?

PetethePrince said: ↑

What are you talking about millions of fights Pac's way? Pac asked for a catch-weight in a championship fight. Pac got DLH to come down to 147. Morales got Pac to wear the gloves he wanted. These sort of things happen all the time in negotiations.
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People drop their demands all the time, too. Remember Froch talking about how he won't fight AA unless it happens in the UK?

PetethePrince said: ↑

Pac should give in for boxing's sake. I just want the fight to happen. There's no moral or righteous or even fair reason to why Pac should, rather than Mayweather not asking these demands. But I went over how I don't want to turn this into a principle matter.

That's only because you're coming from an ethical standpoint. One at which I don't adhere to. This isn't really about a need or must but a should. And that's not the only reasons, you just disagree with those reasons and my viewpoint. That's fine. Everybody from our radio show to the posters just think Manny needs to take the test. If he doesn't, we don't get a fight. Maybe you care about the pride and morality issue. Floyd will never have a fight that doesn't involve blood-testing. Period.
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And Pacquiao feels just as strongly the other way. And we won't get a fight unless Mayweather complies. It works both ways. The only justification for Mayweather's demands over Pacquiao's is, like I said, that blood testing is a good thing.

PetethePrince · May 2, 2010

itrymariti said: ↑

You're missing my point. If you're arguing for Mayweather's demands based on the fact that that there's an established record of them being in play, consisting of one fight, why not bring up the countless instances where they haven't been employed?

People drop their demands all the time, too. Remember Froch talking about how he won't fight AA unless it happens in the UK?

And Pacquiao feels just as strongly the other way. And we won't get a fight unless Mayweather complies. It works both ways. The only justification for Mayweather's demands over Pacquiao's is, like I said, that blood testing is a good thing.
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The real question is. Do you think Floyd will fight another opponent without blood-testing? Also, I don't think Pac feels as strongly. It's about how close to the fight. Floyd went as far as 18 days. 14 days was where he had the line. What was wrong about that?

Here's the thing.

Floyd's not going to budge (I strongly doubt it).

Either

A- Pac agrees to some cutoff point and takes the test
B- He doesn't, no fight.

That's what it comes down to. You yourself said there was more of a justification to just accept the demands (At least said there was something good from it). It's late so not thinking sharply. Floyd not chasing Pac, though. He'll be content to retire or fight someone else before budging. Unfortunate, but probably true.

People drop their demands all the time, too. Remember Froch talking about how he won't fight AA unless it happens in the UK?
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I saw you say in another thread that you didn't think the fight was happening. So obviously you don't think Floyd is going to budge on the demands. So not even worth really addressing this notion.

You're missing my point. If you're arguing for Mayweather's demands based on the fact that that there's an established record of them being in play, consisting of one fight, why not bring up the countless instances where they haven't been employed?
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Same goes for Pac's over the weight fine demand. You could say that about a lot of demands. You could say that about fighting Cotto at welterweight with a catch-weight. But this is what Floyd wants now, and he's trying to move forward with "the sport of boxing." Maybe he's become enlightened about the inadequacies of Nevada testing. Maybe this information is new to him. I don't really see how you're point is relevant, because you can say that about any demand. The thing is here people said "Never asked that about any other fight." Well now there's one in the books with blood-testing fight for Floyd and his opponent. That line can't be used. There's precedence.

nuges · May 2, 2010

PetethePrince said: ↑

Same goes for Pac's over the weight fine demand. You could say that about a lot of demands. You could say that about fighting Cotto at welterweight with a catch-weight. But this is what Floyd wants now, and he's trying to move forward with "the sport of boxing." Maybe he's become enlightened about the inadequacies of Nevada testing. Maybe this information is new to him. I don't really see how you're point is relevant, because you can say that about any demand. The thing is here people said "Never asked that about any other fight." Well now there's one in the books with blood-testing fight for Floyd and his opponent. That line can't be used. There's precedence.
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lol you got fooled by floyd's bs. People always mention the weight fine demand, but that's stupid. Nothing even closely related to the blood demand of floyd. Floyd isnt the boxing commission. If he has a problem with the way they do it and "move forward with the sport of boxing" take it up with the commission. Demanding a fighter to bend to his rules is absurd.

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