Pac (of MAB1) vs Barrera (of EM1)

I wont take offense to that!

Most *******s despise me, but I'm not without paying the Pacster his deserved compliments.
I've often said "Manny Pacquiao is great, but a ******* labels me a hater simply because I lay the truth on the table in regards to JMM's schooling sessions with Manny.



I take no offense to being called a *******......."Manny Pacquiao is great!:good

 

MAB and DLH are very similar in that regard......they almost always need to throw a left so that their right can follow........

Nacho had DLH at some time during his training camp for Pacquiao, strictly just throwing right hand leads and counters......but in the real fight with Pacquiao, a fighter just turns to what just comes natural for them.

 

poll it

 

It's almost like they're just throwing token right hands, for their body to twist and be able to generate better power when they swing to their left hand punches.

 

there's no difference in size or skill between the Manny that fought at Jr.Feather in July 2003 and the one who beat Barrera at Feather in November 2003. Pacquiao was a physical monster at 122 even moreso than Barrera. At Feather his power was less concussive because his opponents were bigger but at Jr.Feather it was maniacal.

remember that Pac's trainer said that the plan was to move back to Jr. Feather after the MAB fight because he could still make the weight easily.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166738&page=12

 

A fighter just cant solely use one hand to land combinations.....so most fighters are like I described MAB and DLH.......

......the special fighters are those that can start and finish a combination with either hand........and its not an easy thing to master at a high level.

 

Just messin with you. I disagree with some of your views, but i like the way you criticize Pac. While Pac may be liked by most unlike PBF, he also has to most virulent and idiotic haters.

 

Marquez's right hand is sufficiently better than his left, what is your point?

Marco still utilities his right very effectively, and this is simply not up for debate. The benefit of video evidence is that is cannot be manipulated and denied, especially in this case. Barrera has often showcased a very good straight lead right hand, and although I do feel his left worked against him against Manny, saying Marco is a one-fisted fighter is completely absurd. He had one of the most dynamic offensive arsenals of the last 15 years.

You want to say his right hand wasn't as good as Morales and Marquez, that is perfectly true? But did either of those fighters have a left as good as Marco's? Certianly not.

 

Don't even try and leave Marco out of that "special fighter" bracket. You're simply not going to get away with it whilst I'm still around to hear you come out with tripe like "Barrera is a one-fisted fighter". He was a better combination puncher than Erik Morales could have ever dreamed of being, and I have plenty of examples at hand of Marco starting his combinations with a right hand. He had a very good right hand, it just wasn't his money punch like Marquez and Morales, neither of whom can utilize their left nearly as well as Marco. Does it not even itself out? In my estimation, it does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nLltSbAf8

Myth...over. Thanks. :good

Ironically. Barrera was able to knock Marquez down with his right hand. Marquez could do no such thing when the two fought.

 

people saying pac wins purely on speed seem to forget barrera was fast as **** at 122,i like barrera to win this one

 

Barrera was fast as **** at 122lbs, but I see someone in here referred to him as slow. :verysad My best advice would be to not even comment on Barrera if you have no idea what kind of fighter he is. Even at Featherweight he had deceivingly fast hands.

 

i agree,imo thats why he won 2 of 3 against morales,because of his advantage in handspeed

 

Yup, his combination's were much more crisp and smoother. I think Divac calling Barrera a one-fisted fighter is completely uncalled for. He was a standout, in my estimation, when it came to mixing it up with both hands in combination. Morales had his strengths, but he was inferior to Marco when it came to putting two fisted combinations together. Marco starts his combo's with either hand, and he has displayed on many occasions that he throws every punch in the book. To quote someone who knows a little thing about the sport.

Jim Lampley: "What do you think of Marco Antonio Barrera, George"

George Foreman: "Yeah, you tell a young fighter to study some film in the gym...Barrera, you get him films of Barrera. This guy is a picture book. Left hook...perfect. This guy has got the stuff."

Larry Merchant: "The right and the left stuff, George"

Barrera was 22 years of age. :good

 

:goodi agree,he's an excellent combination puncher,thats why hamed couldnt touch him.