Pac vs Clottey. What really happened and why it did

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  1. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Here goes what happened for those who can't read between the lines and don't know what they are witnessing. To those who feel it was a set up or fix, It wasn't directly a set up but it was indirectly. Simple math is that people in the shell defense do not beat high punch output fighters (fighters who throw 85+ punches per round). Simple like 1+1=2. Arum and his people knew that so you can say it was a set up in that way. But to the fighters and camps it was fair game and clottey was trying to win as much as he could.

    Clottey's gameplan was to throw when pacman stopped punching round by round. Every round manny takes small breaks and that's when clottey threw combinations. Pac doesn't punch for 3 minutes straight as some believe and would have you believe. When pac was on the offensive (most of the time between the small breaks), Clottey got in the shell and threw 1 punch at a time (straigh right) then got back in the shell, whenever he did counter.

    Clottey couldn't trade with pac because he would have got hit alot. Using this gameplan kept him from getting hit. He knew this and during the fight he knew he wasn't being hit and was landing more clean punches with far less attempts. So I understand why he kept fighting like that. Still he should understand that alot of people can't tell the difference between punches landing and punches being blocked (fans, judges and punchstat operators included). IMO Clottey was expecting those pac to take breaks more frequently down the stretch. Didn't work out like that for him and he dam sure didn't put enough body work in for it to work on someone with pac's stanima.

    Pac's gameplan IMO was to go to clottey's body to make him drop those arms and break the shell down, and also to attack the shell at angles to find the opening. I think manny and roach were shocked to see that manny couldn't landing anything threw the shell even when his lateral movement got manny to the side of clottey. Manny landed some vicious body shots and I feel he had clottey hurt a few times without manny realizing it. Clottey is only open on the side of the body because the massive arms block everything up the middle (elbows). So they went to thier back up plan which was to just throw a bunch of punches.

    Overall that was the least amount of clean punches manny has landed on anyone's face. I have seen many veterans win fights by punch attempts and not landing clean shots but I never thought I would see manny do it. Clottey landed more clean shots than manny in the fight but couldn't deal with the stanima and speed of manny. Clottey had no choice but to fight in that way because when manny gets into his bouncing in and out trading rhythm you can't dance with him at all. You have to step back, you just can't trade when he is in that rhythm because he is INVINCIBLE when he's doing that and clottey figured that out prefight.



    Lastly Somebody needs to change or modify these punchstats. Seperate clean from grazing and partially blocked. I hate seeing some false ass misleading numbers that don't reflect the story of the fight. Manny didn't land 158 shots to clottey's face like the punchstats said. He might have landed 40 and hardly any of those were clean. If manny hit clottey 158 times (LOL), I would expect atleast a little bump on clottey's face. If those punchstats were true it would have shown manny landing easily less than 10% of his punches on clottey. I laugh when i hear this dominant talk also. Nothing was dominant in this fight. 1 guy looks like he got out the shower and one guy looks like he had been in a good fight. Call it what it was. 1 man throwing alot of punch attempts beating another who wouldn't punch enough. Don't call it dominant or an ass kicking because it certainly wasn't
     
  2. £4£

    £4£ Active Member Full Member

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    I stopped reading after the first paragraph.
     
  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    what happened is that the best fighter of our generation beat the crap out of a big top5 WW even though he is basically a blown up lightweight.
     
  4. ringsider

    ringsider Active Member Full Member

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    "...Of our generatrion....."

    Pretty slim pickings if Manny Pacquiao, a south paw is considered the "best of our generation......":roll:
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    of this generation

    and its not slim pickings at all.
     
  6. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bottom line is a gameplan that is about "waiting for opportunities to come" instead of making opportunities happen is a lack of courage and heart and also a lack of desire to win.

    Yes I'm just some guy on the internet and did not have to get in the ring with Pacman but that criticism is valid.
     
  7. J.E.T.

    J.E.T. Member Full Member

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    Agree.........not close IMO. That kid is jacked on something, believe me.

    JET
     
  8. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree with most but Josh didn't land more clean punches. Josh was worked extensively to the body and took some major punishment. There were PLENTY of clean effective shots to the body and even some to the head but Josh did well with ensuring his head was covered.

    Manny did get around Josh's guard at times and was able to land striaght down the middle splitting his guard...but the focus was on what was open...that was the body. Manny moved lateral and created opening that were not their from a lineal angle.

    For me it was dominant b/c Manny shut him out and landed the more effective punches while doing most of the work.
     
  9. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Great another boxing"fan" who dont count body punches. Thats why Pac won the rounds he was missing Clotteys head but connecting hard to the body at least a dozen times per round. Yeah 12 body shots vs. 2 headshots from Clottey = Pac wins!:patsch This doesnt even factor in the aggression and generaship which Pac clearly had.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're partially right.....there are slim pickings b/c Manny is on anther level with how he's able to implement what he works so hard on in camp. It translates to a beautiful performance on fight night where he's clicking on all cylinders. Manny is by himself as the best of our generation. Floyd is pulling up 2nd but it's clear he's behind Manny.
     
  11. 3rdIslander

    3rdIslander GURU R.I.P. Full Member

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    Wow! Floyd Joy Mayweather Sr. managed to train a pet parrot to post on ESB.:good
     
  12. ringsider

    ringsider Active Member Full Member

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    Mayweather is a much better fighter than Pacquiao....much. If the fight ever happens, he will hand Pacquiao his ass....Pacquiao does not have the skills...he is as one dimensional of a fighter as they come.
     
  13. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah...Floyd is a better boxer than Manny...****...floyd is the best boxer in the game. But Manny is by far a better fighter. HUGE DIFFERENCE. If Floyd sees Manny as a 1 demensional fighter as you do then you'll see Floyd loosing that "0" he cherishes so much.
     
  14. sandy bunz

    sandy bunz Member Full Member

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    I saw a sham of a fight. If you saw somthing else you were on medical mj.
     
  15. ringsider

    ringsider Active Member Full Member

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    You can be as good a fighter as there is....doesn't mean you can box.....not well enough you can beat a guy who can fight and box.......i.e. Mayweather.

    99/100 good street fighters get their ass handed to them when they run up against someone who can box in the gym or in a street fight.

    Pacquiao ain't that good........just nobody around.