Pac vs Clottey. What really happened and why it did

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  1. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When I say clean, I mean snapping the opponents head back blatantly. You don't have to guess and there is no thinking about it. There were a very few shots that snapped clottey's head back. When clottey landed, you didn't have to guess. You saw pac's head blatantly snap back. I had a pac fan wit me and was telling him to count pac's clean punches landed from the 5th round on. There was minutes at a time that went by without him saying a number. Yeah some shots are grazing and some shots are CLEAN. That's why I said seperated em. There is no way he landed more Clean punches than clottey. Most of that body attack people keep bringin up was also blocked besides the ones I explain in my above post. THE body was not open like you said. He didn't land any of those body shot attempts down the middle. The front of clottey's elbows blocked them and the shots around the side were good but they were not close to as frequent as say.....12 a round LOL.

    Yeah manny shut him out but it was by default. He knew exactly what he was doing and also exactly what clottey was doing so that's why he did it breaking his punch attempt record. He said it himself that he couldn't get past the shell after the fight.
     
  2. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doesn't surprise me.
     
  3. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  4. Low37

    Low37 Active Member Full Member

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    How was the PPV sales?
     
  5. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Please quote the paragraph you are refering to and show me where I went against or didn't mention the body shots. I explained those to. Read and learn how to put things into context. I covered everything you said in this.
     
  6. charlievint

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    I agree that Josh landed punches that you clould tell landed cleaner upstairs...but Manny landed A LOT to the body and they were meeting their mark. Josh was hell bent on ensuring Manny didn't get many shots at his dome. But Manny got around his guard to the ribs and straigts right between the elbows.

    There is NO WAY MANNY DID NOT LAND MORE CLEAN SHOTS on Josh. Josh was HURT to the body on a couple of occassions. Manny is the smaller man so when Josh landed it was more dramatic.....but round after round Manny was landing his shots to the body and they were clean, clear and effecitive.

    Too many people don't give credit to working the body and yea...it's harder to see what is a clean shot to the body but if you know what you are looking at it's a part of the sport that doesn't get enough attention.

    He couldn't get past the shell to the head b/c Josh wasn't going to allow himself to get KO'd...if he didn't ahve that concenr he would have opened up offensively to take a chance...he didn't for a reason. He felt Manny's power to the body and knew if he landed to the head he could very well be put to sleep.
     
  7. eko718

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    What really happened is that Pac came prepared for one of the tougher fights in his career, and Clottey was just the SAME OLD CLOTTEY.
     
  8. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ah...I see...those nobodies like EM, MAB, DLH, Hatton, Cotto and Josh.:lol: By the way those nobodies who you are talking about gave Floyd a lot of trouble.....DLH and Ricky in particular. PAC who in your opinion "isn't that good" made easy work out of the guys that gave Floyd his toughest challenge.

    On the flip side....Floyd dominated beat a guy that gave Manny his hardest test a few years back. Styles make fights home boy but to say that a proven GREAT like Manny is "NOT THAT GOOD" only shows your lack of knowledge.
     
  9. Son of Gaul

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    lol
     
  10. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bottom Line:

    Clottey implemented the game plan that would give him the best chance of averting embarrassment. Was this a winning game plan? No, but his fighting style is not one that will ever give him a chance against this version of Pacquiao.
     
  11. bald_head_slick

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    RH and DLH gave FMJ "trouble". :nut:yep

    He isn't. :deal
     
  12. 41fever

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    I'll try 2 c da fight, hopefully soon.
     
  13. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Clottey blatantly snapped his head back because he landed clean shots. Him being bigger had nothing to do with it. It's just clean punching. You don't have to be big or powerfull to snap someone head back. You just have to land clean.

    I give credit for body shots. I feel yall give too much credit in this one. I don't feel manny landed that many body shots. I think they were blocked also like the head shots. Some on the side came through but not anything close to frequent. I repeat that he didn't land anything to the middle of the body. The elbows blocked all of the body shots to the middle. And yes I know what I'm lookin for LOL. I watch all the shots closely.

    Your last paragraph is the same thing I said in the thread topic already. I explained the reason for why clottey did what he did.

    The difference is that I feel he didn't land that much like you guys are saying to the body.
     
  14. aj415

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    Your crazy Pac put on a body shot clinic. That left to the pit of the stomach and the combinations in the liver/stomach and kidneys were both painful to watch and beautiful to see.

    The story in this fight though is Clotteys lack of fire / passivity when he could have had real success against the #1 in the world
     
  15. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it was a winning game plan because that was the only avenue to go. It just happened that manny didn't take as many breaks as clottey thought he would. Manny knew what he was doing. He average's between 70-80 punches per round. He threw 100 plus per round and broke his own output record because he knew what he was dealing with. Clottey knew what he was doing. Pac will eat anyone who tries to trade with him with that bouncing in and out rhythm. You trade you get KTFO period. Only someone who never seen clottey or pacman fight could have expected something different.