PAC vs Cotto Analysis... Where am I wrong?

I don't know if it's the majority, but there's certainly a lot of plausible arguements. I mean he caught Kostya Tszyu slightly past his prime - though a great win - but he employed a lot of rough tactics that he was allowed to get away with.

The Castillo win was completely over-hyped by certainly the media in the scheme of things given how completely finished Castillo is - even though he was somehow in the P4P top 10 at the time.

And those are probably his 2 best wins & performances - though the Collazo win ranks up there aswell but he struggled badly against a guy who in the scheme of things lost practically every round to Mosley.

He was dominated and knocked out by Mayweather beforehand, rocked badly by Juan Lazcano in his comeback fight, and looked less than impressive against Malignaggi when Paulie actually decided to box. He even appeared to stun Hatton at one point - yes, Malignaggi stunning somebody.

Undoubtedly he took a lot of punishment from Manos De Plaster, and he can definately take a punch and has a lot of heart, but Margarito is slow. Don't forget that. Cotto show everyone of his punches coming and had time to react and roll them. Against an explosive, quick power who's the know what might happen? Judah hurt him with an uppercut, Mosley with a right hand before the fight was interrupted to mop up the ring-canvas - both were quick punches.

 

Gandul, you are Puerto Rican. As such, it is no surprise that you are biased towards Cotto. You have already convinced yourself that Cotto will win, and are basically spouting any rationalization that will further your believe that Cotto will win. Much of your argument in your post is barely even relevant to the fight. Nothing will convince you that Cotto won't win. The good thing is that the fight is in a few days. There will be no more need to guess come the 14th, the two fighters will decide the argument for all of us. Enjoy the fight.:thumbsup

 

Everything you raise is accurate. I think you've got to look at what the fighters can do: we've never seen Pac go to plan B, because he doesn't have a plan B. He's usually not needed one, but he's looked sloppy against two fighters who came at him with gameplans to neutralise his speed and power (Marquez and Morales).

Cotto is being judged on looking tentative against a huge, fast and frankly dangerous WW in Clottey. A guy no one else wants to fight - especailly not after the argument he gave Cotto. I just think: how would Manny have looked against Clottey? Answer: clueless and probably legless by the mid-rounds.

I'm looking at the things I can measure: Manny's speed and straight shots, Cotto's versatility and under-rated jab, Manny's footwork and angles, Cotto's timing and punch placement...

I'm seeing a Cotto win, but this is hard to pick. It's the last four rounds that this fight hinges on for me.

 

Sorry. I just couldn't help but chuckle at this.

 

Its not Biasness its truth... What he said is pretty accurate and relevant its you that is biased and cant even come up with a rebuttal to why Pac will win..

 

Well one thing I think a lot of people have wrong when analizing the fight is the Oscar fight. First, yes he was by far not at his best, but Pacquiao fought a great fight. The reason I believe Oscar was not Ko'd was because after a few rounds of not being able to catch Manny he went into a shell where he bascially became a punching bag. I think that if he would have tried to fight more agressively instead of going into a shell he would have been knocked out and that is something Miguel is more suceptible to. The other thing is that against Hatton Pacquiao already looked more comfortable to the higher weight and come in this saturday I think he'll be a lot bigger, stronger and better than what he was against Oscar.

 

It's good you're thinking, but against Pac you need to throw all that out the window.

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A) Don't believe all the dry and weight drained excuses it's easy to regurgitate something that people pass off as fact. Oscar sacrificed size and power for speed in the fight. He was 150 2 weeks out before the fight. He really underestimated Pac's footspeed. Hoya was never ko'd by anyone other than middleweight king Hop by a body shot.

B) Hatton is Hatton. He has always looked vulnerable against top fighters, rewatch any of his fights and you'll see he's always getting hit. But he usually does get a chance to hold and maul against slower footed opponents.

You can pick apart any fighters opponents, the fact is that no one right now has Pac's footspeed which to me set him apart from any fighter in the game now.

Cotto is very good nad deserves this shot and he can possibly take this if everything goes right.
He has always had leaky defense. Torres dropped him, Corley had him hurt all at 140 against guys around Pacs current size. Pac is much better than both all across the boards. He stands flat footed when throwing power shots and is open for a guy who can beat him to the punch. Once again foot speed will set these guys apart,Cotto won't be able to find Pac and be able to set his feet with the small window Pac will give him.

 

I can come up with plenty of reasons why Pac will win. What does it matter though, this guy is already convinced of the opposite result. And what exactly does Pac beating the dog**** out of Hatton and Hoya have to do with why Cotto will win?

 

Its called theory triangulation, problem is this triangles got only two sides

 

Yup, theories are made to be proven. it wont be proven until the last round on november 14.

For people who says cotto will win or pacman will win, thats their own personal opinion and wont affect the result of the fight.

 

You have a mindset of someone who already made up his mind. Let the fight tell you how it is. If Pac loses, then good for you!:good. If he wins, i hope you dont make up excuses.:nono

 

You have a view of PAC that is warpped to begin with. His wins over Ricky, JMM, MAB, EM, DLH and Diaz are all very impressive wins yet you like many others want to over analyze those wins in order to rationalize why a guy like PAC is able to dominate, perfrom and improves every time he steps in the ring.

It's easier for some to make "excues" to why PAC wins rather than to give credit where its due. FLoyd, DLH, Leonard, ALi and other greats have all had the same problem. Critisim unwarranted is part of being the best in your realm. But the proof is in the pudding. PAC takes on all challenges and perfroms in a way that is unbelieveable in many ways. So of course haters are going to be on their job.

With Cotto...he's a big man...a very solid champion. Very good all around but not great in any one area. PAC is truly great but he's a small man. The playing field is EVEN giving these factors. But the styles and the attributes of both is where the deciding factor will be apparent.

PAC has the natrual ability, speed, explosiveness, reflexes, dynamics...ect. Cotto has the size, strength and power. Stylistically PAC has a style that will be very hard to predict. He's in and out, side to side, puchingn in combos, leading with the left ect. Cotto will have many problems corning PAC to cut of the ring and get to the bread basket which is going to be Key if he wants to win. Cotto will have to do damage early and quickly to get the fight in his grasp but the speed and dynamics that Manny has will make the early rounds very difficutl for Cotto to own.

Cotto is dangerous but will fade down the stretch where PAC will get stronger. I think Cotto speed or lack there of will cause him to begin to break down towards the mid rounds and when PAC gets his stride is when the level in class will be apparent. PAC will pull away by round 5 or 6 and completely take over the fight with his speed and ring generalship. PAC wins in my opinion but the early rounds will be Key if Cotto has any shot at taking this one. Which is a very big chance. Cotto could very welll catch PAC or hurt him early and change the couse of the fight for the Philipino.

 

The DLH win was blown out of proportion, but the Hatton one wasn't.

Manny destroyed a 29 year old who had never been beaten at his natural weight before. Regardless of whether or not he had prepared properly or stuck to his gameplan, knocking out Ricky Hatton in under 6 minutes is a phenomenal achievement and a sign of freakish power.

What I can't figure out is how does this power compare to the power of Clottey or Margarito. On November 14th we will find out. My guess is that Manny won't be able to spark Cotto like he did Hatton, but I think he can get a stoppage win from an accumulation of heavy shots.

 

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