PAC vs Cotto Analysis... Where am I wrong?

If the fight was close after eight rounds and to be decided in the last four rounds then Pac would win it as Cotto has a nagging stamina issue.
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I just finished watching Pac/Oscar and Cotto/Clottey back to back. Now I'm so excited about Saturday night I can't hardly stand myself! I mean I'm jacked to the ****ing moon!

One thing I'll say is that if Cotto catches Pac with left hooks the way Oscar did in the early rounds, it's game over. On the other hand, Pac is ****ing FAAAASSST, faster than Judah or Mosely, and that might cause Cotto some real problems!

One thing I think we can be sure of is that both these warriors are bringin' hell itself with 'em. I can't wait!!

 

I think his hands are faster than Zab but not Mosley. His reflexes at this point though are definitely quicker than Shane's.

The more I think about it, the more I think Cotto can break Manny's rhythm the way Marquez did, and I still think Manny needs to control the pace to be at his best. But, I'm really curious to see how the weigh-in plays out also. We can throw all this style stuff out the window if Cotto comes in at 145 looking like a corpse.

 

Slightly? That was KT's last fight. He was definitely way past his prime.

 

I agree Mosley's hand speed is probably at a similar level to Pac. But I think it will be Manny's foot speed that will cause Cotto the most problems.

It's a very interesting fight - can Cotto deal with the speed and can Pac take the power.

This time last year if someone had of said that Pac would have retired Oscar, stopped Hatton in two rounds and was due to fight Cotto. You would have been carted off to the funny farm. I find it strange that Pac is considered the favourite for this fight. I really want him to win as it will put him amongst the best fighters of all time but I think a lot of people are forgetting just how good Cotto is. If it hadn't been for the Margarito fight ( and the plaster?) Cotto would surley be up there with Pac and Floyd jostling for the P4P crown. He's a very calculated fighter who is more than capable of fighting of the back foot and countering Pac. I think the key to the fight is if Cotto can get close enough to land shots to the body. If Pac chooses to fight in and out, It will be difficult for Cotto and I can see him being stopped late on his feet. I just feel Pac won't be able to resist going for the KO which could play into Cotto's hands.

 

TOOO long to read!:rofl It's just you don't KNOW or TRUST PAC so much that's the only thing wrong!

I suggest you can cheer for Cotto if you like since you are a fan no problem.

Now if you still BET on Cotto! Pls don't get back to me that I did not warn you!

cheers!

 

Pac by KO

 

that's a very good analysis

 

You are wrong when you posted "STFU and GTFO" . . .

Proofs and arguements and whose right or wrong will be dettermined on Nov 14, after the fight . . . you got that?

You are making it sound as if your presented arguement is the word of GOD . . . well . . . it's not . . . so go **** yourself. :deal

 

Correcto..

 

go Cotto!!!!!!!

 

Wrong. Pac won so impressively that people are now saying that Oscar was shot and that Hatton was a bum. Despite Oscar giving Floyd hell and shutting out Forbes in his previous two fights and Hatton going 10 with Floyd and whooping Malignaggi's ass. If those guys had won a few rounds agaist Pac, he would have gotten more credit even if they were exactly the same fighters.

This is true. The fight would have been more competitive if Pac fought the same Oscar as Floyd, but it would not have been as competitive as Oscar vs Floyd. Pac would still beat him. Roach trained Oscar for the Floyd fight so thats when he first knew that Pac would be able to beat him.

Wrong. First of all the limit when Pac fought Oscar was 147, not 145. Secondly, fighters get adjusted to higher weights. When Pac fought Oscar he had fought at 130 nine months prior and 135 just six months prior. He went up 12 pounds in one shot. Now Pac's body is more adjusted to the higher weight and he could never make 130 in his wildest dreams. To top it off, Oscar's chin is very good and he was covering up the whole time. Of course Pac's power is not as destructive as it was in the lower weights but its still extremely destructive.

wrong. He couldn't execute it during the fight because Pac was too good and made him fight his fight.

Wrong. Hatton was 100% in his prime. And either way just by how destructive those wins were, if you consider that those fighters were not at their best, then even if they were they might have made the fights more competitive but they still would have lost.

Wrong. Most of us know Cotto has a decent chin. Most of us also do not think Cotto is damaged goods. However his chin can be dented as it was against Corley and Judah two southpaws who are nowhere near the quality of a Manny Pacquiao.

Wrong. Margo and Clottey have very different styles. Margarito is a high volume puncher while Clottey is a combination puncer who fights out of a defensive shell. Clottey's typical output is nowhere near Margarito's and neither is his stamina.

this is true. Cotto's confidence seem at an all time high and being the underdog seems to give him an extra edge in trying to prove people wrong.

wrong. Against Judah Cotto showed that he is pretty slow. He was able to overcome that with some well placed body shots and a few below the body shots and his power. But he was real slow compared to Judah.

Wrong. Pac definately hurt OScar as he had his covering up in the corner and at one point holding on to the ropes. You don't have to knock someone down to hurt them.

Wrong. They had the tools to do it but Pac took them away. Also Oscar hit Pac flush in the 4th round, right on the button.

Very wrong. Pac is a fully versatile, complete fighter. He can stay on the outside, fight on the inside, counterpuncher, clinch, swarm, do it all. PAcquiao's arsenal is more dynamic than Cotto's.

Wrong. Pac can fight on the backfoot and has many times. Its a myth that he can't. When he knocked down Morales in the 2nd round of their 3rd fight, he was fighting off the backfoot. When he tattoed Oscar's face in the early rounds, he was fighting off the back foot. When he won every round off David Diaz, he was fighting off the back foot.

Wrong. PAcquiao had an altititude training camp for his first few weeks. Also he won't have to drain as much to make weight. Don't expect Cotto's stamina to be better in any way. As for plan A, B, C like I said Pac can do it all. In his last fight against Marquez he counterpunched with the best counterpuncher and still came out on top.

 

Oscar being weight drained is most likely true. But lets not forget that Steveie Forbes marked up his face pretty good in that "tune up" fight. I think it was a combination of Oscar not having the edge anymore and some dehydration. I agree with what Renyo posted about Hatton. Unless he can play his game with the holding and whatnot, he always had a tough time when he just had to box. \
I think we are all in for a good fight this weekend, thats for sure. I am still 50/50 in the air on who iam going to pick.

 

Also where has this one dimensional nonesense come from regarding pacquiao. He fought oscar in a completely different way than he fought hatton. With oscar he wasnt really setting down on punches just getting in range and potshotting a little. With hatton all pacquiao was doing was taking little half steps back and setting his fights with massive counters. The diaz fight again demonstrates a third way of fighting which is pure volume and activity to overwhelm an opponents defence and break him.

Ill tell you right know, if cotto cant get the respect of manny early in the fight, the way marquez was able to do, pacquiao is going to run him over.

 

While I don't completely agree with the thread starter I do understand his statements. Pac fought both Hatton and Hoya at the right time in their careers. It isn't a coincidence that they both retired after their bouts with Pac. (Although it is likely Hatton will go against better judgement and fight again) With that said I think there are things that can be taken from both fights that help build the argument for a Pac win. I do however feel that Pac's recent success has given many people an unrealistic view of his skill set at the higher weight classes while Cotto's recent's fights have done the same in a negative fashion. These fights are playing in peoples minds much like the last 30sec in a round. Often times judges remember the last 30 seconds more than the first 2 1/2 minutes.

I think it is going to be a great fight and I can't wait. I do however agree with the TS in his prediction...Cotto will wear pac down and stop him in similar fashion to the Judah fight, but the stoppage might come a bit sooner. Pac was there to be hit when Hoya actually threw punches. He won't beable to handle true WW power.