PAC vs David Diaz: Option 2 for Manny

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by doknochrisan, Oct 8, 2007.


  1. doknochrisan

    doknochrisan Puncher Full Member

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    The most likely scenario for PAC is to fight JMM next, otherwise, moving up to LW would probably be the best thing to do. WBC LW Champ David Diaz is grooming to be the best option after El Dinamita, and at least now, he is after the belt as what most of us want, and not facing fighters coming from a loss. What do you think guys? We know for a fact that David Diaz is not considered by many as the top LW, and if PAC ever beats him, how would that add to his achievements? Thoughts?
     
  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'd rather see Pac fight Casamayor, Katsidis, or Juan/Julio at 135 before David Diaz.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It won't add anything. Morales ruined that. Morales fought closely with that Diaz and Pacman blew him out. Morales is past it, showing how good (or average) David Diaz is.

    Casamayor, while older, is a better option IMO. If not, perhaps a tune up with a top level 135 contender in his prime(Katsidis). The other 2 Diaz's are busy with each other.

    He can also stay down and fight one of the top 130 prime champions even if he can't get JMM in the ring. Guzman and Soto do more for his legacy than David Diaz.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I think a Guzman vs. Pac fight needs to be made
     
  5. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had the same thought
     
  6. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PAC and Company would never fight Joan Guzman
     
  7. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    i'm sure they would consider it if guzzy pulled in more people. but the prob is he doesn't. that's why a fight w/ jmm is more likely unless jmm "outprices" himself again.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has money. No more talk about money. Fighting the best should be his concern now. He has had enough money fights. If he can't get JMM, he should be looking at Guzman/Soto winner. If he goes up to 135, he should face one of the real champions....not David Diaz who barely beat (and may have lost) to a man Pacquiao stopped 2 times.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Money is always a part of the equation. No need for Pac to risk taking an L against a relative unknown in the form of Guzman, when he would get more praise and money for going up in weight to fight the lesser talented, better known David Diaz.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why should he risk fighting the better fighter? Because he has enough money now where he should fight for legacy. He won't get more praise for fighting David Diaz than fighting Joan Guzman. Not after than Morales fight. And David Diaz is better known that Joan Guzman or Soto? None of them are well known. The money differential at this stage is not enough to make up for fighting a fighter who barely beat a shot Morales after you just stopped Morales 2 times.

    I am not buying into all this taking the fight for the most money crap. Once or twice? Sure....but not constantly. If you buy into it, that's you.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I buy into human nature. I would much rather see Pac fight Guzman than Diaz. However, I just don't see Pac getting into the ring with Guzman. I can't expect Pac to ignore logic and common sense like that. Legacy wise, fighting Diaz over Guzman wouldn't really hurt Pac. All people would remember is that Pac won another title in another weight class.
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But I am not talking about human nature. Human nature says take the most reward with the least risk. But that is not a path to greatness. And all we hear about is how he is on a path to greatness. If he takes this fight with all the other options out there, it will show he isn't looking for the best fights, but the most money. Fine...I just don't want to hear about his path to greatness anymore. He has fought past it fighters and smaller fighters in between those fights.

    As for his legacy. I think it will hurt him NOW if he takes that fight. Maybe not in the long run. Depends on what else happens. But I can guarantee you others will criticize this choice.
     
  13. doknochrisan

    doknochrisan Puncher Full Member

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    Money has alwas been the biggest part of any megafight, it is taken into account that given the circumstances now between GBP and Top Rank, they need to earn as much because of the percentage they have to yield whenever PAC fights, and they have to get it back as much, and I think PAC is being trapped into that knd of situation, I hope he does'nt go into greed.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    We're arguing two different things here. You're talking about what should be, I'm talking about what is. Pac has a lot more to think about then just himself when he gets into the ring. He has a family and an entire nation that depends on him. Not to mention he has a .promoter and a trainer that don't want to see him in the ring with Guzman. Right now they're praying Soto can pull off the win. No way in hell he gets in the ring with Guzman if he can fight Diaz
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It should be a PART, not the determining factor. And there are plenty of fighters who fought lesser known dangerous champions to add legacy after they made money. Pacman is only famous BECAUSE of this (MAB-Pacman 1).

    Either way, mega fight rules don't apply here. It's David Diaz. This is not a mega fight. And when faced with the option of David Diaz and Casamayor or Guzman/Soto, the money isn't great enough that he should choose the weaker fighter IMO.