Pac vs Fraud, I don't even care anymore...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NullpointerAlex, Nov 28, 2011.


  1. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Look it was the same Pac-man. He looked awesome in camp, and his footwork was looking even better than usual. So what happened? JMM, happened, the same guy he probably should have lost to on two other occassions. If you watch the first two fights, both men fought nearly identical. I think the people who follow boxing technique will see that.

    I do think the fight is gonna pass its expiration date as far as fanfare, but not because of the fighters being past their prime. I think both fighters are still on top, not in their prime, but near it and the results would be the same regardless. I think if everyone wants to make as much money as possible they do the fight now!
     
  2. NullpointerAlex

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    Nobody has claimed that Pac is shot or past prime. The only thing I remember reading is that Pac might be slowing down a little, which is only normal at his age....

    About RJJ vs Hopkins & PvF, as I said, I've largely lost interest. Just like I did with RJJ vs Hopkins. Surely, both are still much more in their prime than RJJ vs Hops were, RJJ was 100% past prime, but, IMHO, the Pac vs Fraud fight should have happened much earlier. Since the JMM fight where Pac pretty much lost, the excitement of Pac vs Fraud has all but gone away for myself. I'd be pretty much as excited about RJJ vs Hops as I'd be with Pac vs Fraud, as I've said, I don't really care anymore and if it never happens, fine by me. Surely its a better and more relevant fight, but IMHO, for myself, it lost its megafight appeal and is only a shadow of what it could have been.

    The stakes are much lower now. If pac would lose for example, then so what... He lost to JMM, so losing to a bigger May means what? If May beat him at his peak, after defeating Cotto, Marg, Clottey or even Mosley,then it would have been a much bigger win for May. Basically, JMM ripped off Floyd, he stole May's chance to shine. While Pac seemed unbeatable, JMM came in and beat him... Fraud missed his chance.
     
  3. Cellz831

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    :deal thats exactly what ive been sayin
     
  4. Cellz831

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    so is it floyds fault that pac couldnt handle marquez?
     
  5. NullpointerAlex

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    Back in 2009-2011, he could well have won. Fraud didn't even want to fight him them! So of course... He could well win vs Floyd if they fought next.

    Nobody said he's passed his prime (as in shot). Just go back page by page and search for 'prime' if you don't believe me. The only thing is that he's getting older, and not younger, and past 30, he's definitely on his decline.
     
  6. Phat_Ass_Dude

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    :lol:
     
  7. Cellz831

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    based on ur comment it seems like pac is more of a "fraud" then mayweather is. he was overhyped and got exposed by marquez
     
  8. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol, Pac is and always was the same, he was supposed to steamroll JMM this time to further showcase his "improvements" and using that win to fight another Arum no hoper while claiming FMJ is ducking him....

    If you put aside the knock downs in the first two JMM fights , JMM wins hands down.....so he fought a disciplined fight the third time around and gets the shaft on the scorecards.

    Pac ONLY looks good when you swing for the fences with him, ANY movement will befuddle him as witnessed in the Mosley impersonator fight or a broken down HBO hype job Cotto when he wanted to survive.

    FMJ will/would beat Pac at ANY weight at ANY time in their careers. Fact.

    I have said it for years and I am not disrespecting Pac accomplishments but he will get a beating of a lifetime when he faces FMJ, I give him credit if he goes the distance but IMO he will get stopped, this has Hatton written all over it again.

    The man has ZERO Ring IQ, he is a one trick pony, that might be a bit harsh but it is right on the money.
     
  9. Cellz831

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    :patsch lmao u have contradicted urself. u said pacquiao hasnt slowed down but yet u claim he could have beat him in 09 but cant beat him now in an earlier comment. what makes 09 any different if hes not past his prime?
     
  10. Cellz831

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    exactly. they will call u a ***** for stating facts
     
  11. NullpointerAlex

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    No it's exactly the point that Fraud had nothing to do with it and you have to keep him out of the equation of JMM vs Pac. :good
    He wasn't 'over'hyped because he achieved what he achieved and that is where his 'hype' came from. The only problem, as I mentioned, is that when someone is constantly doing what seems impossible, people tend to expect the impossible of him. If that's what you call hype, then ok, then he was hyped. Because of his great past achievements, people expected another near perfect masterpiece vs JMM, and he failed to deliver this. People had too high expectations for him. Because he beat guys who were much bigger and weight a lot more, they expected him easily to blow JMM out of the water, and when it didn't happen, they realized that maybe they expected too much of him. Yup, maybe that's hype. But at least he generated that hype with accomplishments. Which is a lot more than can be said for someone like Mayweather who's basically coasted for the last 10 years. RA: "Mother****er what have you done for the last 10 years?" Fraud: "Sat back and collected!". Well there you go. From his own mouth...
     
  12. NullpointerAlex

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    Any fighter can beat any fighter... All it takes is one punch... Add injury to the equation... Bad judging... Anything can happen.

    I never said that Fraud wins 100% sure if they fight. Or anything of the sort. I said that my predictions if they fought, was that Fraud would probably win mainly because of the size difference. I've even said 75-80% of Fraud winning vs Pac. That's just a guess. I'd have said 80-90% that Pac beats JMM, and guess what, I was right, he did won, and in that same way, FM could win vs Pac, where he'd win with the scorecards and most would say Pac would win...

    Anyhow, you're ****ing stupid, I'm wasting my time with idiots such as yourself.

    :roll:
     
  13. Cellz831

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    what exactly did he achieve? 2 vacant paper titles against top rank fighters(margarito and cotto). and fighting fighters that floyd already beat? beating flat footed brawlers then getting schooled by the 38 year old version of marquez? dont forget the only reason pacquiao became a superstar is cuz hes the fighter that people THOUGHT could finally beat mayweather. now hes been exposed and u floyd haters dont wann see it cuz ur only interested in hopefully seeing floyd lose. truth hurts hater
     
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  15. punisher

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    Same Pacquiao would beat Cotto bloody again. I don't buy into the the whole "he is slowing down" thing. It's about styles. He is just not better than Marquez, h2h. But, that's nothing new. He never really proved he was better than Marquez, h2h, when they fought the first two times.

    Pursuing Marquez for a fourth fight is a BAD idea. The only fight they should be making right now is against Floyd. If Floyd schools another "young hungry lion" and Pac struggles against Marquez again, the fight will lose even more value and any leverage Pac had will mean nothing. Time to cash out.