Pac vs Fraud, I don't even care anymore...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NullpointerAlex, Nov 28, 2011.


  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Oscar has more power then Mosley and is a better boxer then Mosley. So how does Margarito who got destroyed by Mosley beat Oscar?


    Now lets talk about matchups. Oscar has a jab, long reach, better then average defense, plus Floyd was fighting 7lbs above his natural weight.


    Compare that to Margarito who was getting outboxed by Cotto before his plaster took effect.


    No comparison. Oscar much better caliber of opponent.
     
  2. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was tempted to write, "didn't read" like so many LOL but i'm still tremendously interested in this fight. It's not the same as 2009 or 2010 but still a mega fight. And let's not compare to Hopkins/Jones II. Come on.
     
  3. Cellz831

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    please stop with the pacquiao excuses. mayweather is older than pacquiao and ur a fool if u think hes still in his prime. some of u say that pacquiao has slowed down, got old, and is washed up now. i didnt see any difference in pacquiaos speed, stregnth, stamina, or style when he fought marquez.

    he fought a SMART boxer. of course pacquiao is gonna look great against a slow brawler that comes straight at u like margarito aka a punching bag. u *******s fell into the hype and got a reality check.

    why is it so hard to believe that marquez who had 2 other contrevesial fights with pacquiao wouldnt be able to compete this time? did y'all really believe that "new fighter" that has a "right hand" bull**** lol.

    honestly, it sounds ur already makin excuses for pacquiao if he loses to mayweather and alot of y'all are afraid to eat your words.

    if not? prove me wrong. Tell me exactly what has changed in pacquiao from now to pre-marquez fight(de la hoya, hatton, cotto, margarito)
     
  4. TheChamp83

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    Dude Cotto and Marg..are under Top Rank No way Bob would have made those fights..
    Remember he was trying to Lock Floyd up in a New Contract with TOP Rank for the Marg fight??

    Come on My Negga!!! Thats FACT!!!
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stop saying that. Age is just a number. At 45 or whatever he is, Hopkins is still a good fighter whereas Tyson was done by his mid 20's.

    Age is just a number.

    Pacquiao has had a longer, tougher career than Mayweather and has a style which doesn't age as well. That's what counts, not what it says on his birth certificate.
     
  6. TheChamp83

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    The **** Boggles My Mind these F.uck **** Keep Bringing up Marg, and Cotto Saying Floyd Duck them..When it's a Fact that they are Both Under Top Rank and Bob Refuse to Do Business with Floyd!!!!!

    Please People google the Whole Floyd and Marg Fiasco and read what Credible Writers Had to say about the Situation!!!!
     
  7. TheChamp83

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    I SWEAR WHEN TALKING TO PAC-FANS I FEEL LIKE THIS DUDE
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  8. Hotsauce

    Hotsauce Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this is nothing compared to hopkins/jones 2


    this is more like leonard/hagler
     
  9. Cellz831

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    dont even bother arguin wit pacfags theyre clearly mad cuz they realized their hero would get his ass kicked by floyd so they already have their excuses lined up for pacquiao after he loses. now they are probly looking for a new fighter to dickride because they are only fans of fighters who they THINK can beat floyd
     
  10. Outboxer

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    I've pretty much lost my interest in the fight too. It's a real shame, because it was building up to be a special event.

    You can even chart the buildup -- people started seriously considering it back in 2008, when Pac beat Hoya. Then, in 2009, the interest in this fight increased even further after Pac KO'd Hatton, and the hype was at its stunning peak just after the Pac-Cotto bout. The beginning of 2010 was the perfect time for the fight. Mayweather had looked flawless against Marquez and Pac was coming off a string of great victories against bigger guys. The excitement surrounding the bout could be found even amongst people who barely watched boxing.

    And now...we're nearly in 2012, and I'm not really sure where that old electricity and excitement has gone. It just faded away, bit by bit, and the Marquez-Pac bout was particularly damaging. Even if the fight happens in the future, it'll never be as big as it could have been.

    The saddest part of it all is that Mayweather has always complained that he's not respected as he should be. He always wants credit, and for people to recognise his abilities. This was it. This was the biggest chance he's had in his entire career, his golden ticket, and a bout in which many of us had him as the favourite...and he showed absolutely no interest in it. I wonder if he'll ever realise just how badly he sabotaged himself.
     
  11. NullpointerAlex

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    Ok let's see...

    What excuses? Nobody's made an excuse, simply that we're not really interested in seeing a May vs Pac anymore.... What excuses are you talking about exactly?

    Who claimed otherwise? That Pac is older?
    Well nobody really knows since he fights so rarely... For the last 10 years he's really not challenged himself. His last fights were against JMM, a smaller older guy who had to gain 17 pounds... Mosley gassed out after 3-4 rounds, after rocking Mayweather..... A prime Mosley would most likely have KO'd him right there... What else... Ortiz? He ****ing sucker punched the guy... We didn't even get to see the complete fight because of his cheap shot........

    And even before that, he didn't really test himself. An old Hoya? ****ing Hatton? Gatti? Baldomir? Zudah who ****ing lost to Baldomir? Bruseles? Mitchell???? Oh yeah top challenges right there... come on...

    Who said that? I didn't see any of those comments here.

    Then you're a ****ing ****** Pac looked very different than when he fought Marquez at 125 & 130 in 2004 and 2008... :patsch

    Yeah those same fighters May ducked... yeeeeah...

    Something Mayweather won't allow to happen for his ***** fans because he's only taking easy fights.

    It's not that it is hard to believe it's that it wasn't evident to foresee given Pac's and JMM's last performances.

    Well given that he pretty much lost to JMM, it would be rather obvious that he'd lose to the bigger Mayweather who's bigger & arguably better than him and beat JMM no? It's not the fact that we're making excuses of him losing to mayweather, it's simply acknowledging that he just lost to JMM who's a much smaller fighter than Mayweather, and has lost to Mayweather.

    You just have to realize that Pac's accomplishments are much greater than May's. He KO'd and destroyed fighters May fought for 12 rounds, he even beat fighters May was ducking and weight like 15+ pounds than him...

    Let's see Mayweather go up vs Martinez, let's see how he does against a bigger guy. People have simply expected too much of Pac because he's accomplished so much of what people thought was near impossible. When was the last time a fighter around 145 beat another which weigh >160? It's similar to RJJ beating Ruiz. Sure, Ruiz wasn't no Klitshko, but still, what has Mayweather ever accomplished which was similar?

    It's just that a guy like Pac inspires people, and make them expect what would be considered impossible for any other fighter. That's the problem with Pac. He made people expect the near impossible.

    Your strawman? :roll: non sequitur.
    What has changed in Pac is the JMM fight. People have realized that even though Pac had achieved what many thought wasn't possible, the guy has limits and people were probably expecting too much of him.

    The way I see Pac, Pac has delivered... He challenged himself through the last part of his career to gain the #1 P4P title, while May coasted... He dethroned Mayweather as the P4P fighter. Let's see Mayflower do something similar, go up weight and face fighters weighing much more & much bigger than him.
     
  12. Gander Tasco

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    Agree Floyd has avoided all of the best challenges since he fought Oscar, there's no debate about it. Margo, Cotto, younger Shane, Pacquiao. But I dont think your giving pacquiao enough credit. Just bc he has trouble with JMM doesnt mean Floyd beats him. They have different styles, and I still see Pacquiao giving him some problems. But he's definitely declined enough now to where it's a little bit easier fight on May's part.
     
  13. Waaapscht

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    This is insane how many 180s have happened since the Marquez fight.
     
  14. NullpointerAlex

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    You can't compare apples and oranges, besides, I doubt that the Oscar who fought May had more power than Mosley. :lol: And again, Mosley fought that Oscar, who knows who'd had won. Oscar had 2 more fights, 1 vs Forbes, don't even remember what that was like... 12 rds... And then he lost to Pac, which besides going up 10lbs or so to face Hoya, which in itself is something, wasn't anything special, besides the fashion in which he destroyed Hoya... But it was still and old past prime Hoya...


    Past prime... Size not so much of a disadvantage as compared to Pac, I think reach was similar, even longer for May maybe... Don't remember, but against, who different story compared to Pac:

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    Yeah compare Floyd vs Hoya size wise to Pac vs Marg... :patsch

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    Not when you take into consideration age & prime or past prime... I don't know why, many doofuses seem to have trouble with the concept of prime vs past prime... Hoya was pretty much done when he faced May, so beating this Hoya who's really far from being as good as he once was isn't the same thing as beating this Hoya when he was younger & at the peak of his career. Beating a past prime opponent means pretty much nothing. Same thing for fighting an older guy who has to gain 17 pounds to fight in your weight class... You take that into consideration looking at Fraud's resume and you realize he didn't do **** for the last 10 years.
     
  15. Cellz831

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    floyd is currently number 1 P4P. mayweather has been thru 5 different weight classes not as much as pacquiao but he has fought bigger fighters and been the smaller fighter pleanty of times in fights.