Pacman exposed "sparring partners have to wear 16 ounce gloves"

wow is that your best defence to the suggestion that you have nothing interesting to say?

So Pac wears smaller gloves (14OZ) during sparring than his sparring partners (16OZ) - this appears not to be common (i am supposing as no one appears to give other examples)

As i touched on earlier there are several possibilities why this has happened
perhaps it helps him maintain his handspeed better than 16OZ - which if true would be an interesting conclusion - could that even make a difference? - anyone know? he appears to be the only person using this method - perhaps that method is a tiny part in the big jigsaw of his success - a little edge - he is the P4P king and his training is in part responsible for that success, he is known for his hand speed after all - this video would also appear to represent an exposer of the method (the first time it came to light) - unless you know other examples? - Also would anyone now consider trying or recommending 14OZ gloves instead of the standard 16OZ gloves now you know Pac does? If you think the difference is so small as to have no significant impact at all then why do you suppose Pac does/did it? and is the pursuit of a possible advantage (no matter how small) not of interest at all to you?

Similarly perhaps its a confidence trick by Roach to encourage Pac to believe he can naturally dominate everyone? - if that is true and it appears to be a possibility from what some of you have said, then it suggests a few very interesting things. Could this possibly expose Pac's lack of confidence in himself - does he need building up? - as for example Tyson appeared to need or is this a mind trick that Roach does for all his fighters? Anyone know? and are there real benefits from this false confidence?

perhaps this guy Brookes met Pac during a very short window in his training when (for some unknown reason?) 14OZ are employed but it is generally not the norm for Pac - that is pure speculation but perhaps one of you may be able to speak from experience and give examples of when boxers have changed glove sizes for sparring during training as the fight looms - in which case it isn't really that intresting an exposure

As for the fairness thing, life isn't fair and sparring isn't fair the partners are there to help train Pac not compete with him. However that kind of advantage in a ring could in my view be considered at least not very gentlemanly even when money is involved? anyone agree?

and please before someone says it again...to simply repeat that 16OZ gloves is standard in sparring is to miss the blinding point - Pac is not wearing standard gloves - why?

or perhaps we should take absolutley no notice of Brookes (despite his potentially insightful position and experience) because its just hollow "gym talk" from a bum? - I'd be interested to hear what you think?

Also might it be nice to, at least be gracious enough to, thank Spud for bringing this video (provocative as it is) to our attention instead of calling him a ******. I am not Spud as the more paraniod of you believe, i just don't like to see someone being picked on for page after page with icons and ownage and lols when the video in the first post is actually quite interesting.

If you don't think the post is interesting just leave the thread and get on with your life - if you do and you what to respond to the points in it - Welcome to the debate.

 

Good article

 

Amazing how one thread can make a certified moron out of an ordinary idiot.

 

I would like to welcome myself to the debate

Most of us are not privy to boxing training camps so we can't make this conclusion. The absence of examples does not mean that it isn't happening or is uncommon. I think it is a trivial matter that very few people in the sport actually care or make a big deal of in sparring.

It's perfectly acceptable to use sparring partners to build up Pac's confidence. As somebody else pointed out, other boxers pick tomato can sparring partners that they can beat up easily to build up their confidence. You have to bear in mind that these sparring partners are being paid and are also gaining valuable experience that they can use for their future fights to help build up their careers. It's more like a give and take scenario. The fact that this is the first time we've heard of this means that it isn't a big deal to majority of sparring partners since apart from the experience they will gain, they also get a bit of exposure when they spar against big name fighters like Pac or Floyd.

Lack of self confidence is something I wouldn't accuse Pac of. However, if dominating sparring partners will further boost his confidence, then I have no problem with that. If Roach employs that tactic to further boost Pac's confidence, then that goes to show that Roach is indeed a very good trainer.

I disagree. The sparring partner is being paid, gaining valuable experience, and getting his name out to the boxing press and fans. That is a huge benefit to the sparring partner compared to the perceived disadvantage of wearing heavier gloves.

I think he was just making excuses after he got his ass kicked. I don't find it insightful at all. What gloves they wear in sparring is just as interesting to me as reading a phonebook.

I think name calling is childish. However, I have seen spud do the same thing before so I can understand why he is the recipient of it now.

 

30 pages??!! spud you poor, stupid *******

 

Yawn....:dead *rant, rant, rant, rant, rant*

 

god dammit spud. You on your own this time boy. atsch

 

lol

shame okay but Brookes in the video cared and seemed to think it was unusual

okay i agree its acceptable but isn't it interesting that Pac is (or would appear to be) the only one employing this method? (different glove sizes) also in the video it is a big deal to this particular sparring partner - "Its not fair!" - he says

Agreed - interesting possibility isn't it. I wonder if anyone will pick up on it, change their "standard" approach and adopt this same method? - If it works for Pac?

I agree but again Brookes does not appear to agree with that

fair enough - i get a sense of that too - perhaps Pac really handed it to him and he needs a reason to despute it and perhaps it was a closer match up with the other top names he faced and so he gave them more "respect" and rates them "better" in his mind even through Pac dominated him. - but then again maybe the gloves do makes a slight difference? - are you suggestting Pac does it for no reason at all (seems unlikely?) or that Brookes just flat out isn't telling the truth?

Well thanks for trying then but if it really is of no interest to you then by all means leave the thread.
I think it's interesting to hear feedback first hand from a guy who has been in the ring with all the big names in a hottly desputed division

Well okay but i found the video interesting so thanks Spud.

 

I wasn't even trying to make a defense. I have nothing interesting to say about the matter because I don't find anything interesting enough to debate about regarding glove size during training.

I didn't say it wasn't significant. I said it wasn't interesting. So to answer your question, some aspects, because they're so small just aren't interesting. There are so many other elements during training that I would find more interesting, like Ariza's approach to Pac's strength and conditioning or which moves Pac's sparring partners mimic. And even then, I don't think it's a matter of debate, it's more a matter of someone from Pac's team giving some insight as opposed to a bunch of fans speculating what happens. Your argument is that this whole thing is debate worthy. It's really not. I mean, why debate on whether it's done for confidence or for speed when either way, it's understandable and helps Pac in some way. Does it show a particularly fascinating aspect of training? Personally, no. Same goes for most people here.

If there was anything out of this whole discussion that might slightly resemble a debate, it's the debate if Pac has confidence issues. I'll give you that. But if you know Pac at all, then you know that this is a guy willing to release a music album despite his lack of singing talent. A guy who will sign up to sing and perfrom in a post fight concert even before the fight itself, a guy willing to run for congress despite not having graduated high school... do you really think he has confidence issues? For me it was never an option that this was done for Pac's confidence and I doubt anyone can put up a decent counter argument if it was debated.

As far as I can tell from what the other posters here have mentioned, anything from 14 to 22 oz gloves have been used in sparring. The only real standard here is that sparring gloves are heavier than the gloves used during fights. Which 14 oz gloves seem to satisfy comfortably.

It's not fair if the glove discrepancy happens during an actual fight. But that's not the case here. This is sparring, the sparring partners are like payed employees subject to the rules of the employer. There's nothing unfair at all in that scenario.

Again, as was mentioned by other posters, anything from 14 oz to 22 oz gloves have been used. I take that to mean that 16 oz isn't necessarily the standard, just what's commonly used. It's not as if there are some actual written standards for the size of gloves used sparring. So why is this an issue?

Sometimes I have to work weekends because our clients work weekends too. Do I think it's fair? No. Is it that big a deal that sometimes my employer asks me to work weekends? No. It's a fairly common occurrence and as long as it doesn't reach a level where it's really really bad, it's not really an issue. Same for the glove size, sure he probably think's it's unfair, but does it matter what he, as the paid sparring partner thinks? No, as long as he isn't put in a situation where he can get seriously hurt... the only important opinion is the opinion given from Pac's training camp.

That's probably because you don't know spud's history as a poster or choose to ignore it. He's the kind of poster who would gladly jump on an opportunity to discredit Pac or at least wind up his fans (As he himself admitted in this thread). He himself never really tried to debate anything, he tried to insinuate that there was something shady going on when there clearly wasn't. He got called on it, he wasn't able to show anything at all that would "expose" Pac, got called an idiot and called other posters other unsavory words in return and has been pretty silent.

Here in the forums, if you can't back up whatever **** you start, you get called on it and get insulted by the people here. It's how the forums work. If he made a case for any of this being debatable, it would have happened, there are tons of debates going on here in the forums between all the name calling, but debates do happen if something is debate worthy. The fact that you are the only one insisting that this is debate worthy while not adding to anything that has already been said just shows that you, like everyone else here, can't think of anything else that might be going on here, and thus... no debate.

Fair point, I could just go on and not respond since there's nothing to debate. But something about your condescending tone makes it hard to ignore, especially considering that all you've added to the discussion or this "debate" you have such a yearning for are long ways of asking "why?"

 

I dont remember that guy's (in the video) name being one of the primary sparring partners for Manny's fights.

Not even as secondary sparmate.

Maybe he was just a temporary sparmate guy, to fill in for a couple of rounds.

 

Roach is trying to unfairly pad Pac's practice record?

 

Like I said this :deal

 

In my gym we use 14,but I do know some people from other gyms who use 16,its nothing at all,its common.

 

even if somehow they were protecting his jaw in sparring why it matters?
what matters is what he does in fight night.