Pacman/JMM- my scorecard!

Flawed logic. Pacquiao's face was bruised after the Clottey fight, does that mean Joshua won? Of course not.

JMM's face bruises easily, take a look at his face after the Barrera fight.

 

Idk If it can be compared to Oscar vs Tito. Oscar was literally jogging backwards. Marquez was just more on the tacitical/defensive side, not quite running away. But I do see what you mean. He didn't press the action, and if he did, it would've changed the minds of the judges, possibly.

 

No he didn't Manny controlled the center and the pace not Marquez. Those who argue otherwise know **** all about boxing.

No it was pretty even.

Once agian even especially in the tossup rounds.

Uh if no Pac was never nullified. He is willing to exchange. Landing a counter to 3 doesn't make it nullified. You got hit 3 ****ing times. Traidning is reflected in defense not effective aggression.

I had Marquez ahead by 1 after 9. I'm a Pac fan but I had him losing. Your just and idiot if you think that is the score of Pac gets every close round.

 

Unfortunately that didn't help your eyes with round 2 and 9. Both Marquez rounds.

*Edit* You have both winning the 9th round? That's a 114-114 fight, then?

 

And so does Pac's all things being equal. The faces prove that this bull**** that Pac wasn't landing is just more ***** bull****.

 

You complain about he 2nd yet you say nothing for him scoring the 6 for Marquez. You are pathetic.

 

Because Marquez actually has a case for the 6th round. I guess you don't score body-shots?

 

Pac: 1, 3, 6, 9, 11, 12
Maruez: 2, 5, 7, 8,

4 and 10 will decide it people

 

No I score minute by minute not last second attempts to steal a round. Manny countered the holy hell out of Marquez that round. Marquez pretty much quit all offense from that point on. It was his most dominate round.

 

I thought 9 was much closer than 10 and I gave it to Marquez.

 

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III: NO RISK, NO REWARD
By Darrell La Montre

Marquez should have fought with a sense of paranoia

On Saturday, we witnessed yet another very close fight between two future Hall of Fame fighters who had fought on even terms twice before. Manny Pacquiao improved his record to 54-3-2 by once again defeating his biggest rival, Juan Manuel Marquez (53-6-1) via razor-thin majority decision. Marquez gave as good as he got throughout the bout and unlike his previous two fights with Pacquiao, he managed to avoid kissing the canvas. When analyzing Marquez’s body language and movement in the ring, you could almost feel Marquez reminding himself that he would have won the previous fight had he not been dropped. I truly believe that is the reason why he didn’t put his foot on the gas during those crucial last few rounds which Pacquiao won two of the last three on all three judges' scorecards which enabled him to edge ahead of Marquez on the final tally.

This fight proved to us that for all his gusto for going to war, Juan is not quite the gambler Kenny Rogers was singing about in his 1978 country classic.

Even though Marquez's trainer, Nacho Beristain, told him in the corner that he was ahead in the fight, Marquez should have fought with a sense of paranoia down the stretch. He should have told himself, “I am not going to go through this sh*t again! I don’t trust these damn judges” (or “no confio los juezes&#8221. Instead, he fought with caution those last few rounds and it cost him the fight.


The end of the fight and many people’s reaction to it reminded me a little of the end of the first Jones/Tarver fight. It was Tarver’s fight to win and he lost it in the championship rounds when Jones dug deep and did a little more than Tarver to earn the victory. Pacquiao didn’t dig as deep as Jones did, but he did a little more than Marquez did in those last two rounds to secure the win. Interestingly, two of the three judges had the identical scores in the Tarver/Jones fight as the ones in the Pacquiao/Marquez fight. The third judge had Jones winning by a huge margin (9 rounds to 3) so the best Tarver could have done by winning those last couple rounds is earn a draw. Marquez actually could have mathematically won the fight if he took the few rounds instead of only winning one of them. If they fight again, hopefully this will prove to be a huge lesson learned on Juan’s part.

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I noticed a while ago that many people view a fight as one giant 36 minute round as opposed to breaking it up into fractions of 12 and scoring each round independently. That is the way to score a fight ladies and gentlemen. This fight contained no knockdowns, no point deductions, and no rounds where one fighter dominated the other fighter to such a degree that it warranted a 10-8 round. I scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao. A draw would not have been out of line. A win for Marquez I think would be stretching it considering how he fought at the end. It was up for grabs going down the stretch for sure.

Kudos to Marquez for getting himself into the best shape of his life at the advanced age of 38 and giving himself the best chance to win entering the fight. Unfortunately, he didn’t give himself the best chance of winning when he went into cruise control down the stretch. In life, no risk often means no reward. As far as Pacquiao’s next fight is concerned, I have no interest in seeing him face Marquez again. I think they will always fight on even terms and the result will be controversial, unless they fight 3 years from now when Marquez is 41 years old. As we all know, styles make fights and no matter how many times these guys fight they will always give each other fits. It’s not just Marquez that gives Pacquiao problems, Manny gives Juan problems too!

Manny could face Timothy Bradley who looked good in stopping a hug happy Henry Akinwande-eque Joel Casamayor. He could also, of course fight Floyd Mayweather if Floyd finally agrees to get serious about the fight. I think that Mayweather needed to see Pacquiao struggle in order to feel more comfortable taking the fight. I also believe that this fight made Floyd look really bad considered the fact that he has been ducking a man who almost lost to a guy that he dominated off a 2 year layoff! I never once picked Manny to beat Floyd, and I am not going to pick him to beat him now. I just hope Floyd grows a pair and finally takes the fight and puts his 0 on the line. As Marquez learned the hard way, no risk equals no reward. I get the feeling that Floyd now views the risk as being less than it was a few days ago. Based on his actions, Floyd never likes the risk to be equal to or greater than the reward.

 

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I've been saying it all ****ing day but the *****s dont want to hear it. I'm just a ******* even though I had JMM up by 1 after 9.

 

Thom Loverro: No need for recount in Pacquiao victory


By:Thom Loverro | 11/14/11 8:05 PM
Examiner Sports Columnist | Follow him @thomloverro.






Ethan Miller/Getty Images Manny Pacquiao won by decision over Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night.


LAS VEGAS - Filipino congressman Manny Pacquiao nearly lost an important election Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden.

But it was an election in which he needed only two votes to win, and he got them. Two of the three judges at ringside gave Pacquiao the win in a 12-round decision over Juan Manuel Marquez.

The sold-out crowd -- overwhelmingly Marquez supporters -- cried election fraud and expressed their displeasure over the political process by throwing beer bottles and other projectiles toward the arena.

But their candidate simply didn't run a strong enough campaign to defeat the incumbent.

There was no skullduggery at ringside. There may have been incompetence by judge Glenn Trowbridge, who scored eight rounds for Pacquiao and just four for Marquez.

But judge Robert Hoyle probably had it right when he called it a draw -- six rounds for each fighter. Up close and personal at ringside, that was the way I scored the bout as well.

Judge Dave Moretti gave one more round to Pacquiao -- a 7-5 round victory -- and you could easily make that case.

If Moretti was in on some sort of political fix -- or simply feeling pressure to ensure a Pacquiao victory and therefore future big paydays for Vegas from Pacquiao's box office gold -- why would he have Marquez ahead 3-2 in the first five rounds?

In close, indecisive rounds, judges typically will reward the aggressor. In the first two rounds of the fight, Pacquiao was the fighter moving forward, pressing what limited action there was. So he got the rounds -- except from Moretti, who gave Marquez the second round -- putting Marquez down at the polls early.

If you are outraged about the decision, you might want to save that outrage for the process that put Pacquiao in office in the first place -- the process that his nemesis, Floyd Mayweather, has continued to raise questions about.

Mayweather has insisted that if they fight, Pacquiao would have to undergo strict drug-testing, wondering how a fighter who started his pro career at 106 pounds and fought much of his career as a bantamweight and featherweight can be faster and seemingly stronger after moving up to welterweight.

In a Sports Illustrated profile on Pacquiao, his trainer, Freddie Roach, had the same question when Pacquiao moved up to fight at 135 pounds.

"It was big," he said. "I wasn't sure if his power and speed would still be there."

Roach wasn't sure because it typically isn't there.

Next time, when those in the crowd throw bottles at the ring to cry foul in a Pacquiao fight, they should include a few specimen cups as well. Save a few for Marquez, who at 38 years old moved up in weight with the help of a strength and conditioning coach with ties to the BALCO scandal.

Boxing, like politics, is a dirty business.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/sport...o-need-recount-pacquiao-victory#ixzz1dvLS6G2Q

 

*****s are just riding this bandwagon!!!!

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Oh, well I scored the fight with a blindfold on. I guess that explains it all. :blood