PACMAN juicing scandal theory!!!! Read only if u r a real boxing fan!!!!!

he never used it thats your ****ing problem your taking the word of roach, when clearly you hear HBO saying that Margarito asked the commission if he could drink a cup of coffee, and during the tale of the tape it was brought up again, in which Margarito corrected HBO in saying he didnt have a cup of coffee he had two cups...
and likely what do you think people like to drink their coffee with? Sugar right? okay well considering sugar might not be the best idea to have before the fight, to me it looks like he put sweetner in the coffee as it was a yellow packet the same size as any packet of sweetner or sugar...

perhaps that makes too much sense to you all who knows.. I know the educational system in the philipines is not the greatest but come on your smarter than that.

 

Science supports Pac's concerns!

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This is for those who say giving blood for tests does not affect athletic performance.

Blood tests for drug use involve collecting about 10-20 cc of blood (1-2 vials). 5 of these drug tests will equal 100 cc, or about 23% of a pint of blood given in donations (450cc).


1. How do periodic reductions in hemoglobin affect an athlete's ability to train?

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Blood is a complicated tissue with many different roles. When you donate blood, you give up a pint of fluid containing mostly water along with various proteins and cells in solution. During high-intensity endurance activities however, it is hemoglobin, found within our red blood cells, that is most important.

Hemoglobin delivers oxygen to our tissues, and when we exercise our muscles require increased amounts of oxygen. If we lack sufficient hemoglobin, anaerobic, or without oxygen, metabolism will ensue (producing lactic acid) at even seemingly moderate levels of intensity.

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, (which is why you may not donate more often than every two months). What then are the lasting effects of this red blood cell loss?

Assuming that your cardiac output (the amount of blood pumped by the heart) remains constant, a drop in hemoglobin concentration associated with donating blood will reduce your oxygen delivery to working muscles by 10 percent. Still, when you are at rest, or even during moderate levels of exercise, oxygen delivery, even at this decreased capacity, far outpaces demand.

However, once you reach a heart rate that is around 5 to 10 percent below your usual anaerobic threshold, your body's demand for oxygen will outpace its supply. For example, if your metabolism typically becomes anaerobic at a heart rate of 170, then after donating blood you will become anaerobic at a heart rate of between 157 and 164 beats per minute. This value will fluctuate because your hemoglobin level will be rising slowly each day, thus the most significant effect will be felt in the first few days after donating.

2. Donating Blood - What Active People Need to Know

He notes that many variables make it difficult to predict how much or how long donating a pint of blood will affect athletic performance. However, he notes that recovery after blood donation is fairly fast. Eichner writes: "In my anecdotal experience,

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100cc of blood testing is 23% of the amount donated in a pint. 23% of 4 weeks is roughly 6 days. 6 days of not feeiling well during training camp sounds very compromising. The true reason USADA stopped blood testing Floyd and Shane 18 days (almost 3 weeks) before their figtht. :deal

 

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oh my god quit ****ing crying. I still don't know what you're flipping out about.

I HIGHLY DOUBT THE COFFEE WAS THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE WAS THE EMPTY BOTTLE OF HYDROXYCUT IN HIS BAG THAT HE PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN TAKE EXCEPT TO HELP CUT WEIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A LEGAL WEIGHT LOSS SUPPLEMENT THAT PROBABLY ISN'T EVEN BANNED BY TEXAS, WHO LETS MMA FIGHTERS BREATHE CANNED OXYGEN UP UNTIL THEIR INTRODUCTIONS. FREDDIE WAS PROBABLY TRYING TO DISRUPT HIS MENTAL GAME BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY BEING WATCHED BY EVERYONE SO IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER THING TO WORRY ABOUT.

Also, I'm an American you drama queen. And not only did you use the wrong "you're" when you tried to insult the education in the Philippines, you spelled the country's name wrong. Talk to me like a ****ing adult when i'm being civil with you, for ****'s sake.

 

Agreed. Can we please get a separate Pac/May forum or something?

 

I'd like to hear from somebody who is versed on performance enhancing drugs and drug testing before I make conclusions. Not biased boxing fans (both Mayweather and Pacquiao supporters) who have zero knowledge about different types of AAS or PEDs, how long they last in the system, and what drug tests they can't or can be detected with. This **** is annoying.

 

For those who are not so well informed about HGH, you have to couple anabolic steroids along with HGH for it too be effective. After using anabolic steroids, when on the cycle, many athletes will use HGH soon after. Because without steroids, HGH is practically ineffective.****FALSE****-

People who use steroids use HGH at the same time as steroids to amplify the effect and to keep gains. HGH is effective by itself. HGH helps athletes to recover faster and put on muscle easier especially after 30 years old. HGH is a naturally occurring hormone in the body and is impossible to detect by urine. Olympic style drug testing with a cut off is not olympic style drug testing OSDT is random so no….Manny did not agree.. Keep it real and keep it factual for the sake of boxing fans.

Also, there are steroids that are not detectable by urine tests ( example Sugar Shane Mosley, the cream and the clear) so an HGH urine test would not change much. He could still be juicing. Take the test Manny!!! I want to see the fight!!!

 

I'll take that thread chock full of Victor Conte quotes over you. It's a good read, highly suggested. Floyd's demands are not OSDT.

 

Thanks for this post :good

 

It does'nt even matter what, when and where a particular PED can be detected.......

Whats important is that if a fighter wishes that a fellow fighter in a high profile fight be given the best and most modernized PED tests around, he should have the right to make such a request if he's willing to pay for the testing.

Whether the current testing catches all PED's in the system is irrelevant.
Whats relevant is that its the best testing available and that it catches the presence of more PED's than the current available test that most commisions use currently.

Hell, the NSAC is on record as stating they are allright with an external PED testing group testing fighters if thats what they wish to do.
Obviously for them to allow that, they do so knowing that their own testing is'nt up to date.

 

Sorry if this one has been answered already. To answer this one question. He isn't going to jail for Steriod use, he is going to jail for lieing under oath.

 

The point of the mans thread was that they know the current test can be beaten and that has been proven over time but yet they continue to say that Floyd should go by the drug system thats already in place. A system that they know can be beat and know how to beat.


If you can't understand that then you are a ******* or a window licker!!!