Pacman sure acting guilty.

Guidokz · Dec 26, 2009

dodong said: ↑

BTW, Pacquiao lost to Morales after JMM 1.
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really? that means they have miscalculated his roid cycle dates..:yep

Royal-T-Bag · Dec 26, 2009

All I know is that if i was accused of this and had a hall of fame record on the line and the biggest payday in history on the line I would do anything in the world possible to prove I was clean to keep my legacy in tact and my upcoming ridiculouusly huge unprecedented payday in tact. Anyone would. That's why Pac's looking guilty.

HONDA2006 · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

from another thread:You just made a blanketing statement that the NSAC testing PROVES Pacquiao is clean. The implication is that the NSAC has a 100% accuracy in their testing 100% of the time. Which is EASLIY proven a false statement. NO ONE can say that the NSAC testing standards are FAIL PROOF! The NSAC has OPENLY said that are NOT qualified to do blood testing. They are NOT medical experts. The are a governing body which have adopted a set a of STANDARDS of which the accuracy and thoroughness are at a bare minimum DEBATABLE.

The USADA on the other hand is the TRUSTED leading expert authority accepted by the international community to be on the forefront of the newest PED's, detection methods, and collection procedures.

It IS NOT a ridiculous request by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe that, while Mayweather promotions have openly said they're not accusing Pacquiao of anything, that they are honestly saying that the NSAC standards are sub-par and not keeping pace with the most prudent detection methods. Historically Athletic commissions are slow to adopt new standards and slow to change.

But in this case you have medical professionals, steroid users who know how to beat tests all coming forward and agreeing on ONE THING:

1. Urine testing is NOT sufficient
2. Knowing the day and time of a scheduled test provides a window by which an individual intending to cheat can plan a startegy to beat the test.
3. The 30 day window Pacquiao wants (blood test #2 administered 30 days prior to March 13th, and the 3rd test on fight night) would provide the opportunity to cheat if the intention was to do so and still test clean on fight night.

People that keep saying Pac agreed to 3 blood tests are ignoring the above stated fact as well as this one: PED's, Doping Methods, aren't EXCLUSIVELY for Fight Night. Theres an assumption that Pacquiao would be on something come fight night and that is false (assuming he had intention to cheat)

I see this as that Mayweather's team simply wants to ELIMINATE ANY possibility for ANY opportunity to cheat.

Random blood and urine test accomplish this.

I'll end this by repeating a point i've consistantly made and that is this: Mayweather is a POOR communicator. In this instance he IS RIGHT.. but totally sold it wrong to the public.

What he should have done is made a statement along these lines:

Manny Pacquiao and I will be fighting for what may be the largest grossing fight in boxing history. There has been some questions posed by my father, some other fighters, and experts in the boxing community as to the possibility if Manny has achieved his success through hard work and dedicated training. I would like to believe he has done just that which is why I'm honored to step into the ring to settle the question that's one everyone's mind: WHO IS THE BEST P4P fighter on the planet. Nothing could be worse for a fighter than to accomplish a dream only to have it clouded in controversy afterwards. If Manny Pacquiao beats me in the squared circle I want him the receive the full credit he deserves by being the only man to do so. Conversely if I win I would want to enjoy the full credit of cementing my place in boxing as the P4P best fighter in the world and best of my era. It is in this spirit that I request that both Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather submit ourselves to the STRICTEST testing standards available to date. Upon doing so neither of us can be robbed by anyone's comments, suspicions, or opinions as to how we achieved our success. I ask Pacquiao to stand solid with me in front of the world and agree to this request.

Mayweather has valid points but is a terrible communicator.
Pacquiao is a coward for not agreeing to the request.
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GOOD POST :good

Cobbler · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

you point about people who didnt know about USADA before a couple of weeks ago.. SO WHAT? since when is it a crime or problem to have an issue brought to your attention, to do research, and to formulate a point of view.. that's just stupid to say we are too dumb to come to our own conclusions.
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Suprised you're smart enough to do up your own shoelaces tbh.

I feel its like this. Say WHATEVER you like about PBF.. It is NOT a crime to bring attention to an issue or to step out and say hey, the status quo is crap and to point out why! Martin Luther vs Catholic Church, Jerry Macquire.. lol

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Floyd = Martin Luther? WTF?

dilayro · Dec 26, 2009

Capitan said: ↑

Pacquiao said that what the Mayweather's are doing is bad for boxing and that everyone is starting to believe it and he is being asked by many if he is in fact juicing..." it is bad for boxing they are not doing any good for boxing "

Well, Pacquiao can do something good for boxing...he can bite the bullet and capitulate by taking the tests. Which will expose the Mayweather's as
irresponsible trash talkers and he would do a load of good for boxing.

If he in fact comes out clean !!!!
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how ironic. the boxer with no history of juicing gets to blood test while those who where caught before gets a pass. its feels great to be envied.

Powerman55 · Dec 26, 2009

bloomstomb said: ↑

Im not ready to say he cheats or not but he sure is acting guilty.

Through all the bravado , lawsuits , and defensiveness, one thing stands out to me.

He is not taking a valid drug test.

Everything else is noise.
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I was recently banned on this board but if I wasn't I'd be launching a tirade of insults at you. You are an absolute banana.

SO THE DRUG TESTS THAT THE WHOLE OF BOXING USE ARE NOT VALID???? AND NFL, AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER PROFESSIONAL SPORTS ARE NOT VALID???? Whats the point in having them then?

Guidokz · Dec 26, 2009

floyd will do anything for the money, that's why i'm now convinced that he's really a coward because right now, he keeps insisting his stupid demands just to derail the fight (looking for a way out)..

he's willing to scarifies the 50 mil over a stupid random test, i don't think money may is capable of doing this..

dilayro · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

from another thread:You just made a blanketing statement that the NSAC testing PROVES Pacquiao is clean. The implication is that the NSAC has a 100% accuracy in their testing 100% of the time. Which is EASLIY proven a false statement. NO ONE can say that the NSAC testing standards are FAIL PROOF! The NSAC has OPENLY said that are NOT qualified to do blood testing. They are NOT medical experts. The are a governing body which have adopted a set a of STANDARDS of which the accuracy and thoroughness are at a bare minimum DEBATABLE.

The USADA on the other hand is the TRUSTED leading expert authority accepted by the international community to be on the forefront of the newest PED's, detection methods, and collection procedures.

It IS NOT a ridiculous request by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe that, while Mayweather promotions have openly said they're not accusing Pacquiao of anything, that they are honestly saying that the NSAC standards are sub-par and not keeping pace with the most prudent detection methods. Historically Athletic commissions are slow to adopt new standards and slow to change.

But in this case you have medical professionals, steroid users who know how to beat tests all coming forward and agreeing on ONE THING:

1. Urine testing is NOT sufficient
2. Knowing the day and time of a scheduled test provides a window by which an individual intending to cheat can plan a startegy to beat the test.
3. The 30 day window Pacquiao wants (blood test #2 administered 30 days prior to March 13th, and the 3rd test on fight night) would provide the opportunity to cheat if the intention was to do so and still test clean on fight night.

People that keep saying Pac agreed to 3 blood tests are ignoring the above stated fact as well as this one: PED's, Doping Methods, aren't EXCLUSIVELY for Fight Night. Theres an assumption that Pacquiao would be on something come fight night and that is false (assuming he had intention to cheat)

I see this as that Mayweather's team simply wants to ELIMINATE ANY possibility for ANY opportunity to cheat.

Random blood and urine test accomplish this.

I'll end this by repeating a point i've consistantly made and that is this: Mayweather is a POOR communicator. In this instance he IS RIGHT.. but totally sold it wrong to the public.

What he should have done is made a statement along these lines:

Manny Pacquiao and I will be fighting for what may be the largest grossing fight in boxing history. There has been some questions posed by my father, some other fighters, and experts in the boxing community as to the possibility if Manny has achieved his success through hard work and dedicated training. I would like to believe he has done just that which is why I'm honored to step into the ring to settle the question that's one everyone's mind: WHO IS THE BEST P4P fighter on the planet. Nothing could be worse for a fighter than to accomplish a dream only to have it clouded in controversy afterwards. If Manny Pacquiao beats me in the squared circle I want him the receive the full credit he deserves by being the only man to do so. Conversely if I win I would want to enjoy the full credit of cementing my place in boxing as the P4P best fighter in the world and best of my era. It is in this spirit that I request that both Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather submit ourselves to the STRICTEST testing standards available to date. Upon doing so neither of us can be robbed by anyone's comments, suspicions, or opinions as to how we achieved our success. I ask Pacquiao to stand solid with me in front of the world and agree to this request.

Mayweather has valid points but is a terrible communicator.
Pacquiao is a coward for not agreeing to the request.
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that is why Pac agreed to any test immediately after the fight. if he's juicing it will show up do you agree? if that's not good enough then prove with facts not opinion.

Powerman55 · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

from another thread:You just made a blanketing statement that the NSAC testing PROVES Pacquiao is clean. The implication is that the NSAC has a 100% accuracy in their testing 100% of the time. Which is EASLIY proven a false statement. NO ONE can say that the NSAC testing standards are FAIL PROOF! The NSAC has OPENLY said that are NOT qualified to do blood testing. They are NOT medical experts. The are a governing body which have adopted a set a of STANDARDS of which the accuracy and thoroughness are at a bare minimum DEBATABLE.

The USADA on the other hand is the TRUSTED leading expert authority accepted by the international community to be on the forefront of the newest PED's, detection methods, and collection procedures.

It IS NOT a ridiculous request by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe that, while Mayweather promotions have openly said they're not accusing Pacquiao of anything, that they are honestly saying that the NSAC standards are sub-par and not keeping pace with the most prudent detection methods. Historically Athletic commissions are slow to adopt new standards and slow to change.

But in this case you have medical professionals, steroid users who know how to beat tests all coming forward and agreeing on ONE THING:

1. Urine testing is NOT sufficient
2. Knowing the day and time of a scheduled test provides a window by which an individual intending to cheat can plan a startegy to beat the test.
3. The 30 day window Pacquiao wants (blood test #2 administered 30 days prior to March 13th, and the 3rd test on fight night) would provide the opportunity to cheat if the intention was to do so and still test clean on fight night.

People that keep saying Pac agreed to 3 blood tests are ignoring the above stated fact as well as this one: PED's, Doping Methods, aren't EXCLUSIVELY for Fight Night. Theres an assumption that Pacquiao would be on something come fight night and that is false (assuming he had intention to cheat)

I see this as that Mayweather's team simply wants to ELIMINATE ANY possibility for ANY opportunity to cheat.

Random blood and urine test accomplish this.

I'll end this by repeating a point i've consistantly made and that is this: Mayweather is a POOR communicator. In this instance he IS RIGHT.. but totally sold it wrong to the public.

What he should have done is made a statement along these lines:

Manny Pacquiao and I will be fighting for what may be the largest grossing fight in boxing history. There has been some questions posed by my father, some other fighters, and experts in the boxing community as to the possibility if Manny has achieved his success through hard work and dedicated training. I would like to believe he has done just that which is why I'm honored to step into the ring to settle the question that's one everyone's mind: WHO IS THE BEST P4P fighter on the planet. Nothing could be worse for a fighter than to accomplish a dream only to have it clouded in controversy afterwards. If Manny Pacquiao beats me in the squared circle I want him the receive the full credit he deserves by being the only man to do so. Conversely if I win I would want to enjoy the full credit of cementing my place in boxing as the P4P best fighter in the world and best of my era. It is in this spirit that I request that both Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather submit ourselves to the STRICTEST testing standards available to date. Upon doing so neither of us can be robbed by anyone's comments, suspicions, or opinions as to how we achieved our success. I ask Pacquiao to stand solid with me in front of the world and agree to this request.

Mayweather has valid points but is a terrible communicator.
Pacquiao is a coward for not agreeing to the request.
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WRITE AS MUCH TEXT AS YOU WANT. THE FACT IS NO ONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS EVER BEEN SUBJECTED TO THESE TESTS. WHY SHOULD PACQUIAO BE SINGLED OUT. Other boxers show just as many signs, if not MORE of steroids and they're not being penalised.

Cobbler · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

don't be an idiot.. im not compairing them in terms of histrocial importance.
im making a point that you are questioning floyd and his team for saying the way this stuff is being done (the testing) is BS. Stepping up and saying the Status Quo is crap takes guts...
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On the otherhand, saying it for the purposes of avoiding having to fight a difficult opponent merely takes a yellow streak and an unhealthy dose of arrogance.

Now you obviously just signed up for the purposes of talking about this fight, which is obviously suspicious in itself (probably a Rooney alias). So I wouldn't expect you to still be around here a few months down the line. But, just in case you are, lets see then how Floyds new self-proclaimed role as boxing's anti-drugs crusader is going?

What can we expect from him? A nationwide tour? Maybe he will appear ringside at other high profile fights demanding to know why the fighters haven't submitted to olympic-style drugs tests? Mosley/Berto would be a good one to start with, especially as it involves a proven PED user.

calumbo · Dec 26, 2009

I would only be in favour of this idea if it is brought into boxing as THE official test.
If GBP are that serious about it then Mosley/Berto should be tested for this as a guinea pig before the main event! Heck mosley is known for being a drugs cheat.
BUT somehow i cant see schaeffer et all doing this as they would have too much to lose....Did they not refuse this offer before the JUdah fight??

You cant just set the precedent as Pacquaio, surely a proven drugs cheat should be tried and tested first??

This is all IF gbp are serious about bringing this into the sport.

HONDA2006 · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

Ok I will take your challenge and prove with facts. The short answer to your question is NO that is not sufficient. And here is why:

Pacquiao wants a 30 day window between tests 2 and 3 (2 being 30 days prior to fight night, test 3 on fight night.

As stated by the USADA this would provide an opportunity to use doping techniques during this 30 day period and cleanse the body and or use masking agents prior to fight night as to pass the post fight test.

a quote from USADA director:
"Tygart said, however, that Pacquiao's request to be tested only 30 days and beyond was "unacceptable to any effective anti-doping program," adding, "with a [30-day] window like that, you could dope to the gills and get away with it."
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don't waste your time arguing with him...the 'boy' is too far gone...

REEVO · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

from another thread:You just made a blanketing statement that the NSAC testing PROVES Pacquiao is clean. The implication is that the NSAC has a 100% accuracy in their testing 100% of the time. Which is EASLIY proven a false statement. NO ONE can say that the NSAC testing standards are FAIL PROOF! The NSAC has OPENLY said that are NOT qualified to do blood testing. They are NOT medical experts. The are a governing body which have adopted a set a of STANDARDS of which the accuracy and thoroughness are at a bare minimum DEBATABLE.

The USADA on the other hand is the TRUSTED leading expert authority accepted by the international community to be on the forefront of the newest PED's, detection methods, and collection procedures.

It IS NOT a ridiculous request by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe that, while Mayweather promotions have openly said they're not accusing Pacquiao of anything, that they are honestly saying that the NSAC standards are sub-par and not keeping pace with the most prudent detection methods. Historically Athletic commissions are slow to adopt new standards and slow to change.

But in this case you have medical professionals, steroid users who know how to beat tests all coming forward and agreeing on ONE THING:

1. Urine testing is NOT sufficient
2. Knowing the day and time of a scheduled test provides a window by which an individual intending to cheat can plan a startegy to beat the test.
3. The 30 day window Pacquiao wants (blood test #2 administered 30 days prior to March 13th, and the 3rd test on fight night) would provide the opportunity to cheat if the intention was to do so and still test clean on fight night.

People that keep saying Pac agreed to 3 blood tests are ignoring the above stated fact as well as this one: PED's, Doping Methods, aren't EXCLUSIVELY for Fight Night. Theres an assumption that Pacquiao would be on something come fight night and that is false (assuming he had intention to cheat)

I see this as that Mayweather's team simply wants to ELIMINATE ANY possibility for ANY opportunity to cheat.

Random blood and urine test accomplish this.

I'll end this by repeating a point i've consistantly made and that is this: Mayweather is a POOR communicator. In this instance he IS RIGHT.. but totally sold it wrong to the public.

What he should have done is made a statement along these lines:

Manny Pacquiao and I will be fighting for what may be the largest grossing fight in boxing history. There has been some questions posed by my father, some other fighters, and experts in the boxing community as to the possibility if Manny has achieved his success through hard work and dedicated training. I would like to believe he has done just that which is why I'm honored to step into the ring to settle the question that's one everyone's mind: WHO IS THE BEST P4P fighter on the planet. Nothing could be worse for a fighter than to accomplish a dream only to have it clouded in controversy afterwards. If Manny Pacquiao beats me in the squared circle I want him the receive the full credit he deserves by being the only man to do so. Conversely if I win I would want to enjoy the full credit of cementing my place in boxing as the P4P best fighter in the world and best of my era. It is in this spirit that I request that both Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather submit ourselves to the STRICTEST testing standards available to date. Upon doing so neither of us can be robbed by anyone's comments, suspicions, or opinions as to how we achieved our success. I ask Pacquiao to stand solid with me in front of the world and agree to this request.

Mayweather has valid points but is a terrible communicator.
Pacquiao is a coward for not agreeing to the request.
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WRONG PERSON MATE THAT WASNT ME. Anyway here are my views after Mayweather has watched Pac beat Hatton in a punch, beat hoya then give Cotto a boxing lesson and demonstrated pure power and great skills, he doesnt want to know and can you blame him....
Mayweather always wants things his own way all the time and cant make up his own rules as he goes along because if pac agrees to these tests that means every boxer should go through the same tests pre fight. I was so looking forward to this fight happening but the more interviews i see with Mayweather in the more i think he doesnt want this fight, he does seem running scared and he knows there is a good chance he gets beat...
I dont think Pac is on steroids I think its a load of bollocks..

Imperial1 · Dec 26, 2009

So because Manny dosn't want to take the tests dicatated by team Mayweather he is a cheat ?? So the tests he agreed to also make him a cheat ? Dam people are like sheep !

Imperial1 · Dec 26, 2009

icanmaniest said: ↑

I'm certainly not saying he is a cheat or that he admits guilt by NOT taking the tests or agreeing.
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All im saying is because he doesn't want to take a blood test before the fight he is a cheat but is willing to take one after how does that not satisfy the haters who are accusing him of being guilty ?

Unless he can magically sweat out what ever he took I see no problem with what he has agreed to so far ..Floyd is killing the fight .

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