Pacman v Chi

it's hard to say because, in his prime, chi never fought the best, but, i think, could have hung with the very best in the business...he had that much raw talent and toughness and his fight with morales motioned in that direction. pac-man really made his name at or around his athletic peak, then developed his skills and cleaned up his lifestyle to compensate for anything he was losing to age and ring-wear. even so i voted for manny...his dynamic athleticism and intangible excellence breaks the tough call for me.

 

you know, i suppose the question of what weight class such a fight would be contested at would, of course, hugely affect my prediction. chi didn't division hop nearly the way manny has chasing big fights and demonstrating his dominance way outside any reasonable expectations. chi pretty much grew with age at a very measured pace from, technically, 114-126, but practically from 118-126.

 

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we can, interestingly enough, look to the common opponent in maorales for more than merely a bridge between the two men.

morales beat chi when el terrible was at or around his best (combining perfectly veteran poise and fiery freshness)...and, despite that chi gave him a heck of a good fight, but, in the end was undone by the fact that erik was so good at punching at different paces, getting guys to expect a series of shots at one speed and then up or down shifting quickly to create openings against fighters with sound technical defensive postures. erik also, in some large way, out-toughed the hugely tough chi on the inside and against the ropes...he also managed to keep chi on the ropes and stay off of them himself by cutting off the ring brilliantly.

in three fights against manny, erik gave his last great performance in the first meeting, started strong, finally crested, sputtered and broke down in the second, then stayed broken in the short distance of the third, in that order. manny's southpaw stance was the rockey fuel behind getting to morales, to varying degrees, in all three fights. the straight left hand lead when erik squared to try to cut off the ring...that was the secret. morales, for whatever reason, never used the uppercut with either hand to catch him coming in, but he could have.

the reason i mention it is that chi and morales, in many ways, were relatable to one another stylistically. the crisp, reaching jab, the sharp, controlled hooks to the body inside, the rough 'em up mauling style along the ropes, the tendency to circle out and dart back in with big, straight 1-2's when the works were getting jammed up inside. they both had great chins and didn't get rattled when they got tagged.

i think that a fresh chi--who used the uppercut well and accurately with both hands--would have been able to do something very much like what erik did to pull out the first fight against manny. chi was a little slower than morales, but was probably physically notably stronger...this is one way in which chi is massively undervalued, he was more of a rock, a deceptively heavy object than anyone gives him credit for. where erik's combination punching was, no doubt, quicker, chi could have afforded himself the extra time to work by driving manny back with the sheer momentum and mass of a stronger man. manny has grown into his weight, so to speak, but if chi fought the manny that showed up for the first morales fight, i think he cuts him and nudges him out, just the same.

 

i admire your courage for speaking a of any figther hurting pacquiao in this very-manny environment. the fanatics will no doubt be on you for it, but in a sea of blind pac-fanaticism...it's nice to hear a voice of dissent once in a while. i think your point is well-founded, manny was ko'd big in a fight at super-bantamweight. his defense was non-existent in those days. a rough, strong, naturally bigger man who had the hard beard and controlled, accurate, hard punching style jin chi possessed at and around that weight might have given him a night of brutal frustration...maybe not a career ender, i wouldn't go that far, manny has proven his resiliancy beyond any doubt, but your point remains valid and apt.

 

I've always thought that the 126 lbs featherweight In Jin Chi would be a tough opponent for the 122 lbs jr.featherweight Pacquiao of 2001-2003, and the 126 lbs featherweight Pacquiao of 2003-2005.

Back then, Chi was definitely the bigger man between the two. He was the more natural featherweight, and he was relentless, he had a great chin (with that thick, hard head of his) and he could fight. I actually was rooting for Chi, the underdog when he almost beat Morales in LA.

Back in 2005, I was not sure what the results are gonna be if Pac-Chi happened, but I was sure it would be exciting.

Chi had a granite chin, as are most Korean fighters. I always loved watching Korean brawlers fight. I am in awe of their punch resistance to the head. They mostly have weak midsections, though.


Manny faced a Korean fighter with an InJinChi-like style. At 122 lbs. His name was Tetsutora Senrima. He was kinda like a miniature version of Chi.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Tetsutora Senrima
(2/24/2001)
Philippines

LAST ROUND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmZWV9tBbQ8

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I couldnt believe my eyes, the way that guy gobbled up punishment like it was nothing, and he was coming back for more. I never saw him grimace in pain. He never went down.

Watching it live, I was thinking "WTH?! Are they giving illegal substances to this kid? He feels no pain! He's like a robot?!"

It was sustained punishment, and him getting hit by Manny's best punches, he barely even blinked.

I heard he was hospitalised later that night for standard check up, and they found out he got a couple of his front teeth chipped cause he got hit so hard, so often.

 

i have seen a couple of his fights, so i obviously admire chi for his toughness. but i feel that he didnt really have the goods for the top guys. i picked him to lose to juarez in their fight that was supposed to go down a few years back. manny woulda had his way with him if they were to make the fight at 130 like they were talking about. i just dont see chi being able to cope with manny's speed or be able to effectively counter him. manny would have been in tough, but would have prevailed over the distance.

 

injin chi would have posed many problems for pac. he is tough as nails and has good boxing skills. to say that pac's career would have been ruined by a match with injin chi is pushing it and saying that chi would have ended manny's career is downright ludicrous. manny will win a bloody UD a very tough fight against chi.

chi's boxing isnt good enough to hang with pac IMO. much less end his career

 

why not the current version, radab? :huh

 

The Senrima fight was the Pacquiao, pre-Freddie Roach era, btw.

 

The idea of a Pac-Chi match back in 2004-2005 gave me goosebumps thinking about it, at the time.