pacman v tito at 147

Cotto landed plenty of left hands Saturday night, if that was Tito..I don't think Manny would have took them very well.

 

If Cotto had even wobbled Pac slightly, I'd reckon Tito would KO him. But Pac invited Cotto to hit him, stood and let him hit him, and shrugged off the punches, grinning at the end of each round. I saw nothing on Saturday that makes me think that Pac has anything other than a granite chin (and body).

In saying that, I think Tito would at least be able to hurt Manny. He was too big and too powerful at ww not to. As soon as Manny felt Tito's power, Manny would be in flight mode, in and out, rattling off lightning combinations then zipping out of range. Was Tito good enough at cutting off the ring and timing a faster fighter's lunges in? Would he be able to work Pac out, and get to him sufficiently to change the course of the fight?

I don't think so. But there is definitely a strong case to be made for a Tito win, as Tito was a big, strong, excellent ww IMO. I look forward to reading this thread later.

 

Good post. Pacquiao had the speed to outbox Trinidad, and I don't honestly believe Roach would have sent Pacquiao in with a puncher like Tito on the offensive. I think Roach would have Manny try to outbox Trinidad, who absolutely decimated Joppy like a little school girl up at 160lbs. Say what you like about Trinidad, he was a slow starter, his balance was often lacking, but the man could punch...and if he hits Pacquiao on the button, he's probably going to get the knockout. All depends on how Manny fights in my view.

 

Yes, there is a live chance of a Tito KO. If he hit most ww's, even great ones, they could go. Great puncher.

I wouldn't bet on that result though.

 

Hatton...old De la Hoya...Cotto. Think about it.

 

Well, I've never really bet against Manny Pacquiao with real money, because at the back of my mind maybe I always thought he was better than I've given him credit for. That said, I wouldn't put a great deal of stock in how Manny took Cotto's punches the other night. I challenge you to present a .gif of Manny taking a full blooded, flush left hand to the head Saturday Night. I don't think he ever did. He has great punch resistance though, he did take some hard shots, but those uppercuts in side, and the wide swinging lefts that grazed him, they weren't going to knock out average Welterweights. Trinidad was making 154lbs Vargas do the dance with grazing shots. A true, legitimate puncher...who carried it up 2 divisions.

 

Tito by late TKO

 

Call me crazy, but I really don't see Pacquiao being big enough to win this.

 

unless pacquaio can develop wins and fly around the ring to avoid getting hit, trinidad by ko. despite pac great resume, if there is two things kinds of fighters pacquaio has never faced it is a ko artist and defensive wizard. you know which category trinidad falls under.

 

Not really a factor. The only guys to beat him were defensive geniuses (Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright) and someone who had campaigned at Heavyweight (Roy Jones Jr). If you get by Tito, you usually lose.

 

Trinidad had middleweight power in a welterweight body. He was also 5'11 or 6 feet tall. Thats a way bigger difference than the 5'7 Cotto. Tito also worked behind a good jab. The way Manny fights he would be reaching a lot more against a tall guy like Trinidad and Tito could unload massive lefthooks. I think the physical size and strength of Tito would be too much for Manny.

 

Defensive geniuses that are a good deal larger than Pacquiao.

You know what? I was getting ready to make a post about Trinidad being too large. I've changed my mind mid-post. All these Pacquiao versus threads going around are so numerous, I'm wanting to pick everyone to beat him.

I believe that Pernell Whitaker did well enough, though he was blown out on my card, against Trinidad to let me think a small man could have a chance. Whitaker was outboxing Trinidad at times. After a winning round 1, Whitaker was on his way to winning the 2nd when he was dropped near the end of the round. Instead of being up 2 rounds to none, he was suddenly behind on the cards. Whitaker was doing well in some of the later rounds, but would all but take a knee in the corner taking away any justification for giving him the round.

Manny Pacquiao is no Pernell Whitaker, but this Pacquiao is not faded like that Whitaker. Pacquiao also has a different set of attributes. Pacquiao punches hard enough to have an effect on the larger Trinidad, would have faster hands than the Whitaker Trinidad faced, and uses a lot of side to side movement that would definitely bother Trinidad. The De la Hoya that lost to Pac may not be the fighter a Prime Trinidad was, but he was technically superior. De la Hoya's punches are shorter, less telegraphed, and probably even faster in his mid 30's.

Pacquiao would not stop Trinidad, and definitely not be one sided like the De la Hoya fight. Pacquiao still may have a chance at winning a decision. Pacquiao comes from a smaller weight, and will probably see Trinidad's punches as though they were in slow motion.