Pacman vs Duran at Lightweight

I don't think Duran lost against Ray because he was fighting at welterweight, he lost because Ray incorporated the foot movement into the fight and stayed outside Duran's range. Regardless of weight the foot movement of Manny would be what gives Duran trouble was well as Manny's handspeed, although Manny going in and out with JMM was the reason he was stopped in his last fight. Walked right into the right hand, yet to be honest to go to that fight for a moment, I actually think Manny's foot stumbling on JMM's foot (if it can be called a stumble) made Manny lose concentration for that instant which led to him getting hit clean when he was not expecting it. It was a one in a million punch or maybe one in 10,000, although Manny being knocked down in the 2nd round shows he is not what he was before. I do think Duran has a better chance to beat Manny than Leonard when Ray fights his fight, but Manny was quick and that would trouble Duran greatly. Certainly Duran could time the same punch JMM landed on Pacman, although fighting Manny 4 times helped.

 

nice work someone reversing the Hearns video, but there is no way Manny generates that kind of power with Duran on the ropes to stop him like Hearns did. The only way Manny beats Duran would be by decision. No knockout.

 

Duran kicks his arse all over.

 

For ****'s sake can you post in one thread without harping on your incredibly biased interpretation of Leonard-Duran 2? He ran around the ring against an ill-prepared Duran the way Manny never has, it doesn't apply here, just stop.

And to cap it off, a ******* foot-stumbling excuse. Brilliant. One in a million? One in 10,000? Try two in 246 total punches, or rather 1 in 123 (he landed a very similar punch the round prior), or even less, 1 in 41, considering he floored him in round 3 with a looped right hand as well.

It's beyond old MAG.

 

****'s sake that Hearns punch is ridiculously fast.

 

It doesn't even slow down upon retraction. That's what you call "punching through the target" :hey

 

getting back to the Pacman fight, since yeah I have commented on Duran for years now, although any great fighter is going to lose to Leonard when he is fighting his fight ill-prepared or not.
A great punch and JMM timed it perfectly. That punch could be seen as a very hard punch to duplicate in a 5th fight, unless JMM planned to step in the way of Manny's right foot, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did not step in the way of the foot. Manny hits the foot and trips a little and walks right into JMM's right. Not saying it was for sure the cause, but in the instant he stumbled, his mind was on his foot a little and not of the punch coming in, which is like being caught cold. Remember Starling vs. Molinares in 1988? Starling always had a decent chin, although his defense was great, he still always had a dependable chin and the bell in a way duplicated what JMM's foot did to Manny. Sounds a little crazy. That small distraction for a fighter can be enough to get them to not expect a punch. It was a great knockout but very unusual.

 

All right all right, I get you, you're alright MAG.

 

What a brutal fight.

Duran is the best ever lightweight though, I think he outfights pacquiao.

Duran UD15 PAC. :!:

 

thank you. and I do believe the JMM knockout is one of the best one punch knockouts in the history of boxing. Top 20 ever.

 

This would be a good fight although I think Duran would knock Pacman out whenever he decides to counter Pacmans jab-jab cross.

 

Manny's footwork gets seriously underrated here. It was near impossible to tie him down...He was clearing to much ground with the wide stance and was never around to be counterd. Duran will miss, a lot....

 

It would be a good fight and action packed and not easy for either of them. Two guys with a lot of heart who like to fight. Manny could not get in a war with Duran like he did with Cotto or Margarito. That is the only doubt I have about Manny beating Roberto. The guys who beat Roberto did not engage with him. If you engage with him he pulled you into his tactics and into his range and would beat you. You never get in Duran's punching range. Benitez did, but Benitez was great. Rare.

Duran beat Barkley by being in his range since Barkley cannot fight any other way, so even a huge guy like Barkley lost to Duran. The key with Duran is to fight your fight and give angles and not engage. That is the only thing I doubt about Manny. He likes to fight. Couldn't do that with Duran, and Manny does not use the jab effectively the way you have to for Duran. So if he could beat him to the punch with speed and not let Duran set, that is how he could do it like he beat Delahoya.
I put the fight in my head and I can sort of see it. Having guts with Duran is not what beats him. He could beat Tyson. He likes guys with guts who are mad. Fighting your fight and controlling the tempo is what a guy needs to beat Duran. Floyd would not be a good style for Duran and neither would Pernell. Oscar Delahoya at 140? I could almost go with Oscar, since jabs bother Duran if Oscar moved and jabbed and counterpunched and then held. Oscar had good handspeed and technique. That would not be an easy fight for Duran, yet Oscar could not contend with Roberto on the inside. Many guys who admire Duran on here know he was good, but they rarely mention his psychological advantages. He was a supremely confident guy who broke guys spirits. Ray was a different sort than the other one's Duran fought before.

 

One flaw that Manny had that Im sure Duran would exploit was that when Pac retreated he did so in a straight line. Duran would make him pay for that dearly with his speed and explosive righthand.

Duran just had too many boxing skills for Manny though Pac makes its a good tussle while he lasts.