Pacman vs Ray Leonard at 147

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray handled southpaws in the amateurs and
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    at 154 lbs, but I think the Pacman may be just as fast of hand & foot as Ray, plus Pac is just as tough.

    The trainers would be just about equal too.

    It may be that only the really tall welters such as Hearns or Tito, or the big hitters like Cuevas, are the ones that can beat Pacman at welter, (excluding Sugar Ray Robinson who is considered to be the very best).
     
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  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't put Ray up on too high of a mantle at 147.

    He beat Hearns, and Benetiz, but Duran took him to the ropes and worked him over.

    That southpaw stance gives EVERYONE a hard time....."The punches just come from odd angles" is stated over and over again....even by the great fighters.

    Many of the Greats wouldn't even fight lefties.
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey Longhorn, good to see you back.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Ray Leonard had faster hands than Manny...more power than Manny...and he was bigger than Manny...what do you think happens?
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny gets inside and swells Ray's eyes close.,,,just for starters.
     
  7. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    And Duran is whole nother beast than Manny.
    I see a Leonard victory around the 7th or 8th.
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As for the fight between Leonard and Pac,...
    Busy fighters who are shorter and that unleash rapid fire combinations, sharp blows seem to trouble Sugar. I'm sure Dundee would tell him what to look out for and devise a more cautious approach, trying his luck from long range (stick and move) looking for a points win. Any mistakes, if he gets caught at the end of a shot in the middle of a rumble, Sugar will find himself in trouble
     
  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I respect your opinion.
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Leonard can out-box him. But it's not as easy as many may project.
     
  11. smitty_son408

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    Yes it is
     
  12. Caponecartels

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    He can also knock him out.
    I'd lean more on that.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I only thought I'd see people entertaining the idea of Manny beating Leonard at 147 on the General. Spellbinding. Pacquiao getting inside on Leonard and swelling his eyes up? Leonard can knock you out with his right or his left, and he had slightly faster hands than Manny...I'd be over early. Cotto is no Leonard.
     
  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And David "Boy" Green isn't a Pacman.

    Ray really only began to fill out in strength when he began to move up in weight above 147 lbs.
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    At 147, Manny ain't no Wilfred Benitez...at 147, he ain't no Thomas Hearns...and he sure as **** ain't no Marvin Hagler, all fighters that lost to the great Ray Leonard, as you know. Perhaps you can educate the rest of us and tell us how you think Pacquiao could win the fight? He throws those wide flurries against Leonard, sure, some are going to land, but he'll be countered just as he did early against Cotto, only Leonard had legitimate knockout power in either hand. Pacquiao gets outboxed if he tries to work behind a jab, and he gets knocked out if he tries to engage Ray. Too big, too fast, hits hard...and is just too good.

    But as I say, if you do indeed think Manny has a chance...how?