Pacquaio out 9-12 months with Shoulder Surgery

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  1. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a lot easier to make a case for Manny winning 3 rounds than 5.
     
  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, absolutely. I'm guessing the only rounds you scored were the 4th and the 6th. I think the mistake you made is the mistake one of the judges made. It's called the Mayweather Curse. As a Mayweather opponent, to win rounds, they are forced to have to do something special. However, that's not how scoring works. This is Mayweather and Pacquiao, to all-time greats.

    Many people probably expected Pacquiao to come out as a bat out of hell, and when he didn't, it made it appear as if he was just losing everything. But if you watch the rounds closely, you'd see that isn't the case. Just because Pacquiao isn't doing what you think is expected of him, doesn't mean he loses the rounds. And just because he doesn't do something special, doesn't mean he should lose it either.

    That's the sickness of the sport. Mayweather can do little to nothing and unless his opponent does something special in the round, Mayweather will get it.

    That's how you scored it. I know it is, because that's exactly how I scored it when I looked at it from that perspective the first go around.

    A torn rotator cuff. There's a difference between twisting an ankle and being in pain. There's a whole other ball game where you tear your rotator cuff and left with one arm.

    You're telling me if Mayweather had dislocated his knee where he was on one leg, we are to say, "Eh, injuries happen."

    It's because Pacquiao pushed through and still tried to make it a fight even with the severity of his injury that you say "Eh, injuries happen." This is the type of injury that Pacquiao could've easily quit with. Vladimir did, and he was winning. But it's because Pacquiao had the ***** to push through and not disappoint the fans BY quitting that you discredit the injury.
     
  3. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd gladly rewatch the fight with you and we can break it down round by round. I will show you how close it is.

    I had Pac winning 2, 4, 6, 7, 10.

    When Evander and Mosley said they thought Pacquiao won, I understand how they could see it that way. I still believe Mayweather won, but I see their perspective. They looked at it correctly as in "Who was doing more to try and win the rounds" rather than from the perspective, "Pacquiao has to do something big to win the round."
     
  4. Rumsfeld

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    First off, you're using fuzzy math, because if you say I only gave Pac the 4th and the 6th, that would be 118-110, and I already told you I scored it 117-111. That aside, you're full of it. Pac got thoroughly outclassed, and you know it. Pac never did any of the things he needed to do to be successful. There's no "Mayweather Curse" at play here. Pac's feet looked like dog dung, he was afraid of being countered so he fought tentatively, he didn't know how or when to pull the trigger, and when he did have moments of success here and there, he was afraid to step on the pedal.

    What rounds did you score for Pac, pray tell?

    Who cares? He was injured, as MVC said, probably as the result of missing wild shots.

    Vitali was injured against Chris Byrd in a fight he was winning, but he quit. That's a loss for Vitali.

    Pac tore his in a fight he was losing. That's still a loss for Pac.

    :smoke
     
  5. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    She scored 2 :rofl, 4, 6, 7, 10 :rofl for Pac.

    Blasphemous.

    Pac lost fair and square and she knows it.

    You can't make excuses like this after the bout so

    If he wins

    He can claim that he won easily with a shoulder injury

    If he loses

    He can claim that he only lost because of it.

    It's a two way street. No *****ing, no whining.
     
  6. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not saying that Pacquiao won. Even without the injury, he would've lost. However, people are making out this schooling and that WASN'T THE CASE. And if Pacquiao WAS healthy, it would've been a great fight.

    I'm rewatching the fight for the fourth time later. I'll give you a live rd by rd while watching the fight frame-by-frame later today.

    I had it 115-113 after watching it frame by frame 2nd time. I had it 118-110 after the first fight.

    After watching it after the first time, I realized I was rewarding a lot of rounds to Mayweather that he didn't deserve to win. If neither did enough, it was a draw.
     
  7. jesse

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    Manny did not deserve any more than 4 rounds and that's being very generous. 117-111 Mayweather.
     
  8. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree to disagree. I gave Manny 4 and I was being very generous.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I take issue with you calling the large majority "fools" when the majority having it 117-111 within a point either way had it RIGHT. That said, it's over now. Pac will never be the same again.

    Did you see my recap vid?

    :smoke
     
  10. sooners4life98

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    When I watched the fight this past Saturday I saw Pac throwing with both hands. Must be some other fight he had were he fought with one because it sure wasn't this one.