Pacquaio vs Cotto Re-match. I think Pacquaio struggles.

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Before you either agree with me, or abuse me; please read the points made below.

    Look at before the first fight.

    Manny Pacquaio was a phenom. If you look at his post David Diaz career, then that's the best he has ever looked. Fully motivated, properly conditioned and eager for a war.

    Miguel Cotto took the fight to prove he was still a P4P fighter, following his loss to Margarito. I don't think Miguel Cotto was drained, not for one second. The point of the catchweight was NEVER to drain Miguel Cotto. It was to make him train to make the weight, rather than train to fight Manny Pacquaio. Factor in the disaster that was Joe Santiago too.

    Now look at the fight.

    Pacquaio destroys Cotto after the first four rounds were competitve. Cotto fails to establish his jab, due to the angles that Pacquaio presents. How does Pacquaio do that? He uses his feet to move around the ring, in and out. High speed, high velocity, keeping Cotto off balance, and un-able to establish a rythm. A two handed attack gave Pacquaio the variety to bust Cotto up.

    I'm not doing a long detailed analasis. The key factor was the foot speed of Pacquaio, and the poor tactical plan of Cotto.

    Let's fast forward to now, seeing as a re-match is being discussed amongst fans.

    Pacquaio is not the same. His legs have slowed. If Bradley can out manouver Pacquaio, then Miguel Cotto can. Without his feet, Pacquaio is forced to feint his way into creating openings. He still has success doing that. He's a very good fighter. These days, Manny is heavier, both physically and in terms of how he punches. Yes, I think he hits heavier. I DON'T think he hits as sharply as he used to. He doesn't generate the same impact.

    Now Miguel Cotto is a top 154lb fighter. Obviously he still has holes. He can be hit a little too easy, and his stamina is still not what it should be for an elite athlete. He has how-ever, fixed some vital flaws in his game. Cotto will hold if he has to now, allowing himself to re-gain his composure.

    Cotto uses his feet. He doesn't run, he dances like a Latino to spot openings. He's patient. He also stands straighter, giving himself his full height and increasing the range of his jab, which is still impeccably timed and able to be doubled and trippled, as Cotto moves his feet to dictate the angle of the exchange.

    Cotto has a right hand now. A two handed fighter is a dangerous fighter.

    Now you tell me. If Pacquaio is not as mobile as he was before, does he struggle with the current Miguel Cotto?

    Assuming that the fight is fought at a fair weight, I think he does.
     
  2. Colpolite

    Colpolite Guest

    What the first fight proved is that Packy can wobble and hurt Cotto while Cotto couldn't and cannot trade with Packy punch for punch regardless of the diminish footwork.

    Now if you are suggesting that Cotto can win, of course he can with Packy's now diminish footwork. The way Cotto is going to win is not because of power or being stronger or macho.

    Cotto needs to box from the outside and be on the run but he needs to do this early and not get punish early on like he did on the 1st fight, that way he can keep doing it in the mid and later rounds and still stay fresh.

    Basically the bottomline is, the only way for Cotto to beat Packy is if he fights a shot or dminished Packy.

    Prime for Prime. Pacroid> Cotto
     
  3. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Cotto got tired after 6 and as soon as he got tired he got on his bike.
     
  4. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    I agree with what you're saying, to a fair extent.

    My view on the first fight is that Cotto maybe won round 1, but lost every round after that. He got dominated by a faster, better fighter. And he obviously wasn't drained at all.

    But, the crux of the matter is that Pac is not the same fighter now. As you say, a key to his victory was his movement, and he doesn't possess that anymore, not to the same extent.

    If they fought again, it would be a dogfight, very close indeed, as opposed to a one-sided beatdown like last time. Pac has the potential to hurt Cotto at any time, but Cotto has the potential to keep Pac on the end of his jab now.

    I'd still favour Pac to win ultimately, but it'd be much closer, for sure.
     
  5. sadler1982

    sadler1982 New Member Full Member

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    I agree, Pac has slowe in foot speed, not so much hand speed. I wish \
    Pac was the same fighter he was in 2009 but that version of Pacquiao would beat Bradley.

    As far as Cotto goes the Cotto that fought Money beats the Pac that fought Bradley. I know it doesnt work like that but id like to see a rematch for sure.

    I prefer Cotto V Pacquiao than Marquez #4
     
  6. agila2004a

    agila2004a Well-Known Member Full Member

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    wow, haven't seen haters posting yet on this..
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    He often loses steam in big fights.
     
  8. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    That's beacuse it's a well thought out post that doesn't have "health first" or "pacroid" etc
     
  9. boyschoir

    boyschoir Boxing Addict Full Member

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    wait!

    here are some important *****-Logic:

    after Floyd beats Cotto: he's "never the same" :rofl

    Cotto shot before Pac, and rejuvenated after Cotto-Marg 2 :rofl

    the un-shot Cotto :rofl
     
  10. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    :yep
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Of course he does. Cotto is now a more dynamic mover, is more comfortable on his feet, has better balance, and is punching in more fluid combinations. His ability to combine defensive boxing behind a jab with offensive rushes of bullying inside bodywork would, when employed right, give Manny hell. Pacquiao is fighting a bit smarter, I noticed against Bradley; triggering & anticipating counters and moving past them to get the angle to land his left straight, keeping better balance on his offensive lunges, stepping over on an opponent circling out on the outside instead of following him around; but even so, the loss of foot-speed is a factor, as you've stated. This is why part of me wants to see Manny face Bradley again, to see if he can still attack explosively having something to prove, without ceding sharpness. It's his greatest asset, and it will only make the battle against Cotto harder.

    And assuming Cotto's still as passionate with Diaz, I'd give him a shot to make Floyd struggle a second time as well.
     
  12. boyschoir

    boyschoir Boxing Addict Full Member

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    are you sure you KSAB? :D
     
  13. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto might play it safe, move his feet more and make it a closer fight. Ultimately tho, styles clash and you'll see more or less the same thing happening. Cotto's problem aside from styles is that he has problems with guys who can take his punches and not be backed off. But then again Pacquiao is looking very faded, and he might have lost just enough for Cotto to outbox him, maybe .

    Either way, this is a pointless fight , and the better guy won when it mattered.
     
  14. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed. I'd like to see Bradley fight Pacquaio. He figured out towards the end of the fight that he could essentially out manouver Pac that night. Give him two healed up feet and it becomes very intresting.

    Cotto looks very complete at 154, I really am impressed, and I agree that he gives Mayweather another tough fight.
     
  15. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    do you think now that pacs legs are not as explosive cotto may be able to back manny to the ropes with his plunging jab and work on the inside where manny would be out of his depth?