Pacquiao against the 80s fab four...

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  1. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Going by what we have seen of Pacquiao while he campaigned at jr.lightweight, how do you folks think he fares against the likes of:

    Bobby Chacon
    Bazooka Limon
    Rolando Navarette
    Cornelius Boza-Edwards

    I`ll even throw in the Korean Chung Il Choi into the mix as he was the most talented fighter of the bunch yet at the same time completely unknown stateside save for his one fight against Limon in Cali.

    I`d ike to hear what the classic forum has to say before giving my own thoughts and observations on how I think Pacquiao would have done in that era against that quartet.

    Ill say this much though, he ain`t walking away undefeated against this crop of fighters thats for sure, I mean were not talking about faded versions of Barrera, Morales and JMM now after all.
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Barrera was faded four something years ago, eh?
     
  3. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    He wasnt in his prime anymore the first time around, do you disagree? Mind you he was still an excellent fighter at the time of their first encounter and I am not trying to take any credit away from Pacquiao for the win, in fact I said it was a 50/50 fight going in but the fact remains Barrera was slowing down by that point. In the rematch he was however a faded version of the fighter he once was, that cannot be argued in my opinion.

    Hope that clears it up!:good

    PS, how about giving me your insight on these matchups while your at it?
     
  4. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Anybody care to chime in?
     
  5. Pat_Lowe

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    After watching the second Pacquaio-Marquez fight I noticed Pacquaio's susceptibility to the lead right hand and the right hand in general, probably from him being southpaw and all. Chacon had an excellent lead right if I recall, one of the best. Had speed and snap. Marquez pretty much controlled the tempo of the fight with this one punch, he caught Pacquaio time and time again with it. Add that to someone who wasn't as timid as Marquez and who was willing to trade, combined with a good chin. I'd say Chacon has a pretty damn good shot at beating Pacquaio.
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I'd take Chacon over Pac by late TKO in a 15 rounder. In a 12 rounder chacon UD12 Pac. And, I know he's not on the list, but Arguello KO7 Pacman.
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

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    I am not a big Pac fan, but cannot argue that he is very good (understatement perhaps!)! On the other hand I cheered for Chacon (almost always), Boza (most of the time), Limon (sometimes) and enjoy Navarette.

    I can't believe that Pac would not be the favorite (perhaps a convincing one) in all 4 of these fights. If I was a betting man I would put it on his side. All 4 have a shot at beating him:

    I would give boza the best shot here
    chacon and Limon would have decent shots
    While I would say that Navarette had the least shot at wining a fight...let me make this a contradiction and say while I think his odds are farther away, I like his power and the possibility of KO'ing Pac more than the others.

    For me Pac would take these 4 (have not seen enough of Choi).
     
  8. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Thanks for the input guys I appreciate it, although I was hoping for a bit more replys. I guess if I had started yet another thread about the fab four most associate with the 80s I`d have a few pages worth of posts by now:roll: . No matter, here goes my predictions as promised, although I will keep them brief.

    Boza/Pacquiao: If he decides to use his effective jab as he did against Limon and fights a smart, disciplined fight I give Boza a great chance to win this. Boza could be hurt though and left himself open at times and Pac had the power to do him in a la Navarrete, but his recuperative powers were very good and he had very good stamina as well. Over fifteen I think he pulls out a hard fought decision, with the late rounds being the deciding factor.

    Limon/Pacquiao: Now this guy is all wrong for Pacquiao in my opinion, and I don`t see him winning this fight at all. Limon had a chin made of tempered steel and Pac would not have had the firepower to hurt this man. I see the Mexicans wild bolo punches to the midsection really putting a hurt on the Filipino, and as the fight progresses and Pacman loses that bounce in his step and slows down Limon will start coming on and will eventually batter him to the canvas in a heap. Limon by KO before 12.

    Navarette/Pacquiao: I`d lean towards Rolando in this fight, as he would exploit the openings that Manny leaves and make him pay dearly for them. Rollie was a very good puncher and his counter right hook was a very sneaky and accurate punch, one which I think would easily find its mark on Pac who leaves himself open for that punch. I`ll say this fight unfolds much the same as the Boza fight did, with Rolly eventually nailing his fellow Filipino with a big counter as he comes in on him and not letting him recover once he has him hurt. Navarette by KO within 8.

    Chacon/Pacquiao: The Chacon who went to hell and back against Bazooka Limon in their final fight would have beaten any version of Pacquiao, no doubt about it in my mind whatsoever. Also, Bobby`s lead right hand is one of the best if not the best I have ever seen and he was so fast with it, and we all know Pac is vulnerable to it. If an old JMM can nail Pac with the right while playing it safe, then Chacon who would not be afraid to engage Pac like JMM was and come forward would land it with more regularity. Bobby would get hurt in this fight, but his indomitable will and conditioning would see him stop his foe in that last third of a thrilling fight. Chacon TKO14.

    Choi/Pacquiao: This is the one fight in which I favour the Filiino to stop his opponent, as while Choi was by far the more talented and skilled fighter of the two, he had a terrible chin and Pacquiao would have eventually found it and taken him out. But should the Korean find the mark first with his huge right hand he might just turn the tide and get the Pacman out of there, as this guy had some serious power. He was also quick with his hands and threw a beautiful one-two (jab-right) but again I think his chin would let him down in this one more often than not. Pacquiao by KO within 8, in a fight he would probably be trailing on the cards by a significant margin.
     
  9. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I favour pac over all 4
     
  10. knockout

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    I underrate pac against those 4 because im a hater.
     
  11. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Care to elaborate on how exactly he would defeat them?
     
  12. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you overrate them and yes i have seen thier fights, anyone can make an analytical statement as to how a fight would break down, its all hearsay in fantasy matchups anyways. All 4 of those guys have lost nearly all thier important fights and we are supposed to believe that they would be favourites against a p4p fighter. Maybe chacon can beat him, but the rest, no.

    I've seen the way olivares and boza ****ed chacon up and turned his face into hamgurger patty, yet im supposed to believe pacman wont do it.
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I think Pacquaio's legend will grow once he retires. I also think Pacquaio is likely to beat most fighters without an excellent chin and most boxers who lack the punch to hold him off.

    The skilled power punchers at lower weight are extremely hard to beat.

    As much as I like Chacon, he did not have a top chin. He was stopped 5 times, and down in some other matches he was not stopped in. Could Chacon fight the way he likes to and last the distance with Pacquaio? I'll go with Manny via TKO in a ring classic.

    I am unfamiliar with Edwards, so forgive my " box rec " analysis on him. It seems that Edwards was a protected fighter until he fought Arguello, and generally lost to the big names I recognize, so I'll assume Edwards wasn't a great boxer, and his power is slightly misleading because he fought many lower level fighters. I'll go with Pacquaio here.

    More later....
     
  14. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't forgive your boxrec analysis i'm afraid.


    I demand that you retract it.
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Ok, Retracted, now tell me what I need to know on Edwards.