why does pac have to fight the likes of guzman, valero and bradley for his last 2 fights if he can have 2 superfights w/ either floyd, cotto, mosley or jmm who are all Elite top 10 p4p fighters?! atsch when you're an Elite P4P fighter, you should fight guys at or very near your level. with just 2 fights to go, i'm sure pac isn't looking anymore to fight tune-ups or stay-busy fights. it's all superfights for him now.
All that proves is that Hatton wasn't as special as the guys you mentioned which diminishes Pac's victory over him. Are you sure you want to continue with this?
Wladimir has the same length arms as Mayweather? Is that a joke? If that was true Mayweathers arms would be dragging on the floor like Mister Fantastic. I think you'll find Wladimirs reach is:206cm and Mayweathers reach is: 173cm But I can see you don't know much about boxing and I can also see that you are a Mayweather supporter, BUT I do respect that way you have tried to be levelheaded in your opinion towards Manny. Mate, just sit back, watch and enjoy. This is history in the making stuff. Would you want to be one of the people pointing out how Ali wasn't that great as he was almost knocked out by Henry Cooper and was apparently saved 'by the bell' or would you want to be one of those who realised they were witnessing something really special?
Buddy you are acting like it's a rule. And now you are twisting it. Hahaha. "Are you sure you want to continue with this". NO I already proved you wrong. :rofl
southpaw1974 good stuff, its funny but people who know boxing knows that neither pacman or hatton every beat a top 1-2 in their weight class, while in there prime.. I like pacman, i think roach is overated and its more the fact that he had the better fighter, a week before this fight he was on hbo in the corner of the guy fighting lopez and got stopped, now i am sure he had a master game plan but not the better fighter. Bob arum, well im not going to waste my time with him, the fact he is trying to sell cotto vs pacman will be a bigger more profitable fight than pacman and floyd is a joke. I remember when floyd was with arum then to bob he was the best thing since slice bread, i also remember that floyd offered to fight cotto and arum said no. however he wants us to not remember that. funny when cotto leaves his company in dec. i am sure he will trash him the way he did oscar and floyd lol. The funny thing is everyone says pacman is the best fighter in the world, ok 70% of the people believe floyd will beat him, already with the excuse of size lol, yet oscar, shane are both bigger than floyd in size, funny no one shouted out oscar for fighting a smaller man in floyd, hell oscar was the bigger man and the underdog in the fight!!!!!! I am come to accept that people will see and believe what they want, floyd was p4p king and got trashed for fighting oscar and hatton. pacman p4p king is a god for fighting the same 2 dudes floyd already beat. I heard roach and arum saying nobody wants to see floyd and pacman lol they perfer to see the 5th best ww cotto and pacman lol. funny if clottley wins and a few people believe he will then what?
no. it just proves that pac is that good. hatton was the top guy @140 for 4 years, undefeated at that weight and was the larger guy. virtually nobody ever expected that pac was capable of KTFOing hatton in less than 2 rounds. but now that pac actually did it, ppl are now questioning the capabilities of hatton. maybe if pac would've had a harder time w/ hatton, questions like this won't arise. i guess being too good also has its pitfalls.
The post isn't even an attack yet 'the pacforce' are on patrol as usual viewing ANYTHING that puts Pac in a slightly bad light as an attack. ****ing grow up.
Newbie, I know plenty about boxing. I've been following the sport for 23 years, and have boxed at the amateur level. Let me educate you, reach includes the width of shoulders and is measured across the chest from fingertip to fingertip. A person can have very broad shoulders, and average to below average length arms, and this is why HBO uses arm length (arm pit to the end of the fist which is a much more accurate representation of reach). The next time Mayweather fights, check out his arm length and you will see that it is 26 inches (which is the same as Wlad's). If you don't believe me, check out Wlad's arm length when he fights Haye. Of course when you factor in Wlad's shoulders, his reach is much more than Floyd's (who has a 72 inch reach which is amazing for a guy 5'8" Also, you are probably a hypochrite who labels Pac "special" (which I believe he is) but refuses to see how special Floyd is. In addition, you'll have an excuse when Floyd beats him and probably bring up weight even though it won't be an issue because they are both around the same weight when they step into the ring and Floyd himself moved up from 130. At age 21 they were only 8 pounds apart, and now they are basically the same weight.
8 pounds apart is 2 divisions in those weight classes, thats alot. Pac's physical peak was at 122lbs. That's his fastest and most powerful weight. You can argue for weeks and weeks but the truth is that Pac is much smaller than Floyd, and so is JMM
alphonsogill: Floyd only just beat Oscar and took 10 rounds to take Hatton apart. Pac DESTROYED both of them. And he's fought against the top contenders all the way while Mayweather has cherrypicked the fights he knew he could with (where were the fights with Cotto, Mosely and Margharito?) Floyd has had a safe career. Pac's career is of old school golden era stuff, rubber matches, close wars, coming back from his first defeat to Morales and DESTROYING him twice in the rematches. These are achievements. Mayweather had the chance to set the record straight and fight Oscar but retired instead. Manny is a legend continuingly challenging himself and looking for ways to improve his abilities, he'll fight anyone bigger guys, techincal boxers, sluggers. Mayweather is a cherrypicker who (barring Oscar) only fights smaller guys he knows he can beat, he wasted his talent.
My point was that even if you go back to when they were both 21 years old (several years ago) they were only 8 pounds apart. I know that can be a lot when you are really small, but they would be fighting in 2009 not back in the beginning of this millenium or end of the last one. As of right now when they would be fighting, Mayweather is not any heavier than Pac, just a tad taller. His arm length is insane and that is the only real physical advantage he would have over Pac (but he has that over most other welterweights including Paul Williams). Paul Williams has an 82 inch reach, but again that includes his wide shoulders. His actual arm length is shorter than Floyd's.
How can you say that Floyd has only fights smaller guys when he started his career at 130 and has fought all the way up to 154?? C'mon that makes no sense. Even when he fought Hatton, Hatton was a natural 140 pounder who fought his whole career at 140. Hatton started his career 10 lbs heavier than Floyd. Do you really think it would have mattered if they weighed in at 140 (a weight Floyd could probably still make) and both weighed 148-150lbs on fight night? Do you really think that would have mattered?
Also, 122lbs obviously wasn't his most powerful weight because he has moved up and appears to be stronger at the weight he is now. Pac and Roach would categorically disagree with your statement.