Pacquiao Analysis

Both Mayweather and Pacquiao are exceptional athletes that stay close to their fighting weight because they stay in shape all year round. So it's fair to compare their fight weight history, but Hatton spent almost all of his career with extreme weight fluctuations. He is hardly a viable test case against real elite athletes like Floyd and Manny.

Manny spent almost 95% of his career fighting at 130 or less. He fought above 130 for the first time less than one year ago.

Mayweather hasn't fought at 130 since 2001. 7 1/2 years ago.

- cmkb

 

Thats crap. There's a reason why PBF wont fight JMM at 140 and there's a reason why PBF wouldnt fight Hatton at 140. Everyone knew even before the fight 147 was too big for Hatton, straight after the fight Hatton said so himself. If Floyd could make 140, he would have done so, to erase all excuses & to become a true 140lb champ.

Fight night weight dont mean a thing, its what weight fighters are comfortable at fighting. Plenty of fighters balloon up on fight night. How many top 5'6 WW do you know of?

You would use the excuse of Floyd ruining Hatton, which is a complete BS theory but yet fail to acknowledge the weight issue which is a lot more substantial. We have seen Hatton's performances at 147, not anywhere as good as his at 140 bar Pac.

 

floyd fought hatton at 147 where hatton looked ordinary and where floyd was well-settled on the weight already. pac fought hatton at 140 where hatton was undefeated and is pac's first fight at the weight.

 

For me it has always been that Hatton didn't become a worse fighter at 147 but rather his opponents became more difficult for his style.

Thinking outside the box here if Hatton was allowed to fight at 147 while say Tim Bradley stays at 140 does Hatton have a more difficult matchup because he's a higher weight? Most would say of course not if anything the added weight will be an advantage. However if his opponent is allowed to weight in higher as well then somehow Hatton is not the same at 147 as he is at 140.

To me it clear, the Hatton Floyd fought at 147 is just as good as the Hatton at 140, the difference is that 147 made for more difficult Floyd for Hatton to deal with. It gave Floyd an additional edge that most would agree he didn't even need.

Also based purely on performance in the ring there is little to indicate that Hatton was any worse a fighter after Floyd defeated him rather right before their fight. Urango & Collazo were overall subpar performances for a fighter thought to be at an elite level. Castillo was a smaller fighter clearly on the downside of his career and not an accurate barometer for how Hatton would do against elite competition at this point. Lazcano was again a subpar performance for Hatton and Malignaggi was a solid performance.

Some would say that post-Kostya, Hatton's career was a bit of smoke and mirrors but mostly it seemed that Hatton was an overachiever that eventually had his time run out. The difference in the results of the fights with Mayweather and Pacquaio lay heavily on their defensive verse offensive styles respectively.

The rest of this stuff is just fluff that probably had little to no baring on the outcome of the fight.

 

this is actually a good post. cheers :thumbsup

 

Good analysis, although I have to disagree with some of your beliefs.

It's true that Floyd fought Oscar and Ricky before Manny. Manny defeated them more convincingly than Floyd. You say that it does not prove anything but Floyd defeated Oscar via split decision. I agree that Oscar was weight drained but he was not slow. He only aged by a year. Manny forced Oscar to quit.

Ricky Hatton was undefeated before he fought Floyd. Ricky used the same style to fight Manny. Keep in mind Ricky lost to Floyd at 147. Using weight as an excuse; Ricky moved back to 140. Moving back to 140 gave Ricky his old confidence back. He WAS undefeated at that weight. He became linear champion at 140.

Fast forward, Pacman-Hitman fight. Ricky used the same style he used to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. against Manny Pacquiao. (He used this style because he got nervous and forgot the new techniques that he learned) Floyd beat him at the 10th round at 147. Manny beat Ricky at 140 -where Ricky was very confident that he could not lose at that weight - at the 2nd round of the fight.

You said that Floyd is not known to be a puncher BUT, in Manny's defence; Manny is also not known to be a puncher. Many boxers, boxing experts, and boxing fans states that Manny's TKO wins against his opponents were because of his blinding speed.

Losing your 0 lost doesn't mean anything. Pacquiao has already 3 loses and 2 of them were KO loses and right now he is one of the most exciting and strongest fighter today.

It's a bit early to say that Floyd will be Manny. Manny is strong and so is Floyd. Pacquiao's offense VS Floyd's Defense. They're about even.

 

Yes, he's overrated for a boxer who started at 108 knocking out guys who fights at their natural weight.

 

How's that again. :hey

 

hmm says... so you're saying PBF took everything from Hatton? If that's so, we can look at previous fighters that came up with big wins over big names (defeated or undefeated) and downplay their achievements. Hell you can make that same argument with PBF, if not worst.. (hell lots of people think he's a cherrypicker)... You imply he conveniently fought fighters that were pretty much done with or didn't have it in them but you're probably one of those boxing fans that was caught by surprise by yet another unpredictable outcome..... Give the man some gawd damn ****ing credit, quit finding reasons, excuses, or fault that under-minds what he is doing. Some of you agreeing with the TS we already know are no fans of Pac/are Pac-haters.

if you think he's overrated... look no further than PBF.....

 

Pac needs to beat a guy in the higher division to get your respect yet Mayweather doesn't even fight the elites in his own division and you already considered him god.

 

I cosigned. :good

 

hmm says... if you think Hatton's lost was due to a "mental breakdown" from his loss to PBF, that's a stupid argument. Hatton loss to PBF in a higher weight class so don't you think you contradicted yourself when Hatton had a mental boost fighting Pac in his UNDEFEATED weight class (his zone where he rules), fighting a supposedly smaller man (he himself said "Pac is overrated and what now?), and having a 2nd chance at the so called P4P title that he was so very confident in getting. think first before you play such an equation..... not a well thought of "analysis" but more like a damn excuse.

 

You better look "more deeply" into Mayweather's career then and see if he's not being overrated by yourself.