Pacquiao and Mayweather were fighting at 106 at 16 yrs old

Hatton I would agree, but Cotto was and is a legit strong Welterweight.

There is'nt a featherweight, much less a flyweight in the history of the sport that would have toppled and destroyed Cotto in the fashion that Pacquiao did at 147lbs , and I would include the great Alexis Arguello who imo is three times the fighter Cotto is.

 

It's because Pacquiao was a ****ing infant. Yes, he lost twice. Being so young IS an excuse for those losses. However, it only increases how impressive his wins at those weights are. Not hard to follow.

 

That is what Haters weill always bring out.

those losses were when he was teenager. It was equivlent to the amateur career of Mayweather.

At that age, I am sure that Mayweather did not win all his amateur fights (94 wins - 6 losses to be exact).

At the age where Mayweather is fighting amateur fighters, wearing headgear and bigger gloves, Pac was already fighting men who are seasoned fighters.

Yet because Pac turn professional at a very early age, with basically no amateur background, no professional trainer to speak of, malnourished, you expect to have losses.

 

Here is the take of Winky Wright with regards to the whole Doping test, and my stand as well with the whole thing.

"Regarding his views on the proposed Olympic style drug testing in the failed negotiations for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather:

“If I’m a fighter, and I’m abiding by the rules of boxing and everything is okay then just because another person tells me to do something else, I’m not going to do it. I’m not going to take some extra tests just because you say to do it. The rules are we can’t do this, we can’t do that, I’m passing all the rules, I’m taking all the drug tests that they ask me, I’m doing all of that then it’s okay. But by your standard, you want me to take extra tests? Why should I do that because you said it? You’re not going to do anything I tell you to do extra. So I don’t feel that I should have done it. Floyd’s my man, but I just feel that should have still made that fight.”

That's just Winky, who does not know anything about boxing, not like the geniuses in ESB.

 

Roy Jones Jr. said something along the lines Winky did and we all know Jones tested positive for steroids before.

Honestly, anyone that would speak the way Winky did just there......if they are aware at just what a joke (and this is coaberated by any medical expert on the matter) boxing's current testing protocol is, then I would say someone saying something along those lines is a PED user and does not want to get tested.

I'd really would love for journalism to do its job ask boxers if they'd have a problem with being asked to test randomly of both blood and urine.

I would supect that those with extremely chiseled physiques say they would'nt let Mayweather dictate testing terms.....and those the physique types like Juan Diaz and Felix Trinidad, would'nt have a problem at all with it.

Common sense would tell you that if you're not cheating, you'd welcome the testing to ensure that you're not going to be fighting someone who is.

 

The problem with the entire thing is asking a blood test independent of NSAC or without NSAC invlvement. Had they asked NSAC to facilitate the test themselves, I am sure that Pac would have complied. But as it it, it is just the Floyd Mayweather-Golden Bogus Production Boxing Commission.

You are supposed to be intelligent but you don't seem to understand proper channeling. In an organization as big as boxing, unless the proper channel is in place, it becomes chaotic.

What prevents the next fighter from demanding that test be conducted by French doping agnecy without involvement of NSAC.

And just because Roy Jones tested positive, he does not have any credibility anymore? The premise of Winky's stand is not actually against the doping tests itself, but the process wherein one person asks you to do a test.

There is more to Filipino psyche that you will never understand.

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this is also my stand regarding pac's refusal to blood testing. the man didn't want to give in to floyd's demand. if the commission or the org is the one asking for that kind of testing, and pac refused, then must be really on something.

 

Divac, I doubt you understand basic logic, but your position is what is called circular.

Your conclusion is that Pac is taking roids. To support this conclusion, you argue that Pac winning his fights is proof of taking roids.

Your conclusion cannot simply be a restatement of your premise.

There's no proof of something negative in winning.

It's a World of small minds where every positive gets turned into a negative.

 

but manny asked him to pay a mil every lb. over the weight limit. when has there ever been that much of a penelty? sure you can say manny said that cause he didn't want floyd to have an unfair advantage but you could make the same argument for Floyd. He wanted the testing because he really believes that Manny might be taking something. He wants a level playing field. Can't blame the guy. Both made uncalled for demands. the difference is one agreed and the other didn't. Floyd offered 14 days, if floyd wouldn't have agreed to the million dollar penelty would manny have tried to appease him??? i doubt it. If floyd doesn't agree to the penelty would everybody STILL say this is typical floyd??

 

Divac you wanted one fighter who has been able to dominate at the weight ranges Pac has just look at Henry Armstrong. He fought between featherweight and WW so a 21 point span, not quit what Pac was able to do, but he was simultaniously fighting at those 3 weight classes. Also this is in an era with same day weigh ins so he wasn't able to cut as much weight as other boxers. So now are we to accuse Armstrong of cheating?

 

It is not the fist time that there are penalty clauses for coming overweight and infact it is very common in megafights.

However, in Floyd's case, there was already a precedence for unsportamanship conduct for coming in overweight against thge petite JMM. Plus the fact that when negotiations started, Mayweather actually wants the fight to be at 154 (WTF/). Roach probably thinks that Floyd has intentions to come at superwelter, because of the initial demand of 154. Thus, the penalty clause.

Why are you so hanged up with that clause. Unless Mayweather really has plans to come very big at weigh-in, he does not have to pay anything anyway. Besides if you ask EZE, Mayweather would definitely not exceed 147, infact he could easily weigh 140. The clause goes both ways as well, if in case Pac comes bloated.

 

Considering that Armstrong is actually not a puncher, and that guy really goes toe-to-toe with his opponents, that is an accopmplishment itself.

 

And Pac was lineal champ at Flyweight. I don't see what your trying to get at? What did you expect Pac to be heavyweight champ at 20, ok I'll admit Pac would have been a horrible heavyweight. Now tossing that aside Pac had amazing wins at a young age and yes he had some losses there too. The losses don't show he is a bad boxer though.

 

Armstrong was in no way manhandling guys bigger than he was, and in no way was he dominating in the fashion that Pacquiao is today........
In fact, Armstrong had some losses along the way during the span he was fighthing between the three divsions he won titles in.

Pacquiao is actually physically overwhelming bigger guys to the point they cant continue.......
.......this fact is what has had some in the boxing journalistic community saying that what Pacquiao is doing was exceeding what Armstrong did back in the day he held titles at 126, 135, and 147.......

Mind you that when Armstrong as a lightweight beat Barney Ross the welterweight champ.......Ross was'nt a full fledged Welterweight......Ross actually weighed 142 lbs for that fight that Armstrong won by decision.


It is the way that Pacquiao is beating these naturally bigger fighters that is causing the suspicioun.......and rightfully so.
In an era where Steroids run rampant, you'd have to be a complete moron to have it not come to mind that Pacquiao may be on something.
Which is why I thought Pacquiao owed it to the public to address the issue and oblige by the better testing demands proposed by Mayweather.