Pacquiao and the black fighter dilema

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure most people here have heard the criticisms from Campbell and his trainer that Pacquiao avoids black fighters. I never brought into this. It makes no sense to not fight someone based on their race. However, a fighter's style is very important when coming to match making. Any fighter can be beat if they go up against the wrong style. As such, fighters(especially top level fighters with clout) will routinely avoid styles that will trouble them.

    For Pacquiao, the style that will give him the most trouble are boxers, particularly slick boxers that with a good defense. Pacquiao's people will not put him in there with that type of fighter unless there is a high demand for the fight and subsequently, a lot of money on the table. There are 3 good boxers that Pacquiao faced in his career that I can think of; Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Two of those guys gave Pac trouble and all of them are typical Mexican fighters in the sense that they posses a ton of heart and skill but are prone to be drawn into brawls and tend to neglect defense. They are not exactly slick and their lack of defense and willingness to brawl falls right into Pac's strenghts.

    So how do black fighters fit into the equation? Simple, slick boxers with a respect for defense are typically black, and are typically trained in the U.S. Now there haven't been many black fighters that Pac could have faced in his career. The few that he could've faced, his team elected not to put him in there with them. The winner of Guzman/Soto was supposed to fight Pac. Guzman won, Arum said he was boring and they passed on the fight. Pac went up to 135 and skipped right past Campbell who had 3 belts and fought straight ahead, no defense, David Diaz. After that he faced Hoya(no defense, no right hand) no problem there. Then Hatton(no defense, no right hand) no real problem there. Next, Mosley offered to go all the way down to 140 to fight Pac. This offer was of course turned down and Pac fought Cotto instead(no defense, no right hand), understandable.

    As of now, there are no more brawlers and/or one handed defensively challenged fighters for Pac to take on. Pac is a great fighter and he has proven as much througout his career. However, he will have to do something he has never done before, take on one of those slick boxers that his team steered him away from his entire career. Some of the top fighters at 140 are Peterson, Bradley, and Alexander. At 147 you have Mosley, Williams, Berto, and Mayweather. It looks like Mayweather is the guy he'll have to face next. Unfortunately, Mayweather is the slickest out of all these guys and posses the best defense. It's a big challenge for Pac. Pac has a lot of heart though and he's up for it. After all he's accomplished, he still has the chance to do something he's never done before and raise his legacy even higher.

    Keep in mind, I AM NOT SAYING PAC AVOIDS BLACK FIGHTERS. I'm saying that his team has kept him away from those relatively slick type boxers. It just so happens that many of them are black.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bull****.

    Ledwaba was a top 15 p4p black fight who was considered a slick fighter at the time. Pac took him on 2 weeks notice.

    You genuinely think Pac's team thought Nate Campbell was dangerous? lol. The guy who went life and death with Juan Diaz, same Juan Diaz who was KTFO by JMM...Besides, Nate had a fight scheduled, they fought Diaz who was free, grab a belt and went on to fight oscar, who has more boxing skills than Nate. Fact.

    There was a very small window for Pac-Guzman to happen, but Guzman was never marketable and he had nothing to give Pac. Atleast David Diaz had a belt to give Pac.
     
  3. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Who were the slick black fighters that Pac avoided?

    And dont mention Guzman cause hes latino.
     
  4. AdiC

    AdiC Chillin' Like A Villain Full Member

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    Well Nallege thinks his Black!:roll:
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Bladerunner, there are black people in the Dominican Republic. Maybe you don't know this, but the slave trade took place there as well.
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But Ledwaba & Agapito Sanchez isnt black because he's not "african american" :rofl
     
  7. AdiC

    AdiC Chillin' Like A Villain Full Member

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    So is he considered black or latino?
     
  8. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    The ever so dangerous bantamweight Tim Austin called out Pac after gettign knocked out by Rafa Marquez after Pac/Morales II.
     
  9. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    But they are considered latino,the same way that Carlos Ortiz who looks as white as any white man is considered latino cause hes from Puerto Rico which is a latin country
     
  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It doesn't "happen" that they are black at all. It's true that a lot of the most elusive fighters are black, but which elusive black fighters has Pacquiso not fought? He fought the very best and they just happened to be mostly aggressive fighters.

    The fact is, there aren't many elite black lower weight fighters. Blacks tend to dominate from 140lbs upwards which rules them out for the majority of Pacquiao's career. Now who is there? Nate Campbell, who is hittable. Holt, Mayweather, Bradley, Mosley, Berto...? Only one us elusive. Of the black fighters around Pacquiao's weight, none were that good or elusive.

    It's true that Pacquiao hasn't fought these but there's no point to be made, at all.
     
  11. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is black. Being black and being Latino is not mutually exclusive.

    Sammy Sosa, Felix Trinidad, Tego Calderon, etc- Black Latinos (african heritage is most predominant over native and spanish)
     
  12. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Now is really the first time that Pac has a chance to face a slick black fighter and he most likely will.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    That was a good win for Pac. However, that guy wasn't all that slick, and didn't have an American style of fighting. Besides, Pac wasn't well known back then, he didn't have the clout to go around turning down title fights.

    Campbell beat Diaz relatively easily. He did so a week before Pac fought Marquez. So no, Cambell didn't have a fight schedled. Also Diaz, needed a gift to to beat a washed up Morales in his previous fight.

    If Soto had beat Guzman, he would've fought Pac. After Guzamn won, they simply acted like Guzman didn't exist. So the small window excuse is bogus. Yeah, Diaz had a belt. So what, Campbell had 3.
     
  14. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    there's no dilema. pac fights the best at or around his weight. who gives a **** if they're black?
     
  15. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Both. Latino and black are not mutualy exclusive; Latino is a ethnicity, black is a race. There are a ton of people in latin countries who have just as much African blood as a black American.