Pacquiao and the black fighter dilema

What is your definition of "slick" fighter btw?

 

Is Marquez a slick fighter?

Is James Toney?

Is Chad Dawson?

Is Cory Spinks?

 

atsch Yeah, i just saw the title and just reacted. Poster was obviously being sarcastic.

 

In order for there to be a correlation, there needs to be a constant to start with. In this case, we'd need to first assume that if we're gauging Pac's matchmaking by color and style, that it's a fact that the black fighters in question are slick and fight that style of fight. I see nothing that says to me Campbell and the current Mosley fit that description at all, let alone more than fighters Pac's already faced. It's stereotyping, and my guess is that a gladiator like Mosley wouldn't want to be painted with that label.

The problem is I find it a bit disingenuous to paint fighters who aren't slick, defensive fighters as being that way solely because they're black US fighters, which is what one would have to buy in to the post in the first place. Skin color aside, Pac has shown he will fight people that put him at a stylistic disadvantage (JMM) and in all likelihood, we'll see him fight the guy who is what Mosley and Campbell are being stereotyped to be in his next fight anyways. Mayweather is the archetype of the slick, defensive wizard- so Pac fighting him next tells me he'll take whatever fights in front of him so long as the money's there. I know it's an assumption on my part that the fight will happen, but I think it's a fair one.

 

i really don't think slickness has anything to do with the proportion of your weight in terms of upper and lower body man. it's just a style. it's how you learn to fight. pac has gigantic legs and he's not a "slick" fighter. he can be at times, but he incorporates just about every style into his style. that's one of the things that makes him so insane.

flexibility also has nothing to do with genetics. i get the what you're trying to say, but i think you're a little off here. genetics and your physical traits have nothing to do with what you choose to participate in when you are younger (stretching though gymnastics or forms of karate for flexibility for example, which i think has much more to do with "asians being more flexible" because these are more popular activities in their culture) or the style of fighting you learn.

anyways, sorry for calling you racist. i meant more that you should be careful generalizing because people will take it the wrong way... like i did.

 

Now you are generalizing.

In your original post, you implied that a "slick" boxer is someone who gives Pacman problems because stylewise, a "slick" fighter is very sound defensively and can counter Pacman, which would be somewhat tailor made for Pacman's aggression right?

Well, PW, Berto and Mosley rarely do that. They are NOT defensive fighters. So in this instance, the fighters who you claim are "slick" and have the style that gives Pacman problems actually do not fight "slick".

But i think your definition of "slick" differs from mine. What you said above is very, very general.

 

I agree that Toney is the definition of slick. A fighter who can plant his feet and make his opponent miss using slight upper body movements and then counter right away as if in one motion. I don't consider Spinks slick at all, and Dawson is half-half while a guy like Berto can be quite slick too. And obviously PBF can be very slick.

My point however is that there is no indication that slick fighters trouble Pacquiao. Technically sound fighters with a good guard (especially up the middle), good footwork, and the ability to create distance quickly, those are the ones who trouble Pacquiao.

Where does this theory that slick boxers trouble Pacquiao come from? Based on what fight?

Relatively speaking Ledwaba was one of the slickest boxers Pacquiao faced since he met up with Roach, if not the slickest. It was also one of his easiest wins.

 

**** i'm from irish descent, i'm white as daylight, i've got legs like kermit the frog and a bigger upper body and i've got fast-twitch movement and very fast hands. i'm very coordinated ("body aware") and have great balance and i think that's far more because i've been involved in every sport in the book year-round my whole life including about every board sport you can name. BUT, my style of boxing is not the slickest in the world imo.

not trying to toot my own horn by the way, but i'm just adding to my point. it's more about what you participate in than how you're built or where you're ancestry lies. :thumbsup

 

Hey guys quickly before its late

Should I get Taco Bell or Jack-in-the-box?

 

Was Jermain Taylor only ever an issue because he avoided white fighters?

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Hopkins, Spinks, Winky etc. couldn;t beat him... look what happened when he could not longer avoid white fighters!

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This is AT LEAST as good a case as the Pacman case - and I think both are bull****...

 

If you're mexican, Taco Bell

white, Jack-in-the-box

black, KFC