Pacquiao and the black fighter dilema

Tszyu · Nov 17, 2009

Do people really think Nate Campbell would of beaten Pac? Didnt he just get own a few months ago lol

BigReg · Nov 17, 2009

klion22 said: ↑

Now you are generalizing.

In your original post, you implied that a "slick" boxer is someone who gives Pacman problems because stylewise, a "slick" fighter is very sound defensively and can counter Pacman, which would be somewhat tailor made for Pacman's aggression right?

Well, PW, Berto and Mosley rarely do that. They are NOT defensive fighters. So in this instance, the fighters who you claim are "slick" and have the style that gives Pacman problems actually do not fight "slick".

But i think your definition of "slick" differs from mine. What you said above is very, very general.
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Fair point, althoug I never said slick and defensive are the same. Fair point on your part none the less.

BigReg · Nov 17, 2009

PH|LLA said: ↑

I agree that Toney is the definition of slick. A fighter who can plant his feet and make his opponent miss using slight upper body movements and then counter right away as if in one motion. I don't consider Spinks slick at all, and Dawson is half-half while a guy like Berto can be quite slick too. And obviously PBF can be very slick.

My point however is that there is no indication that slick fighters trouble Pacquiao. Technically sound fighters with a good guard (especially up the middle), good footwork, and the ability to create distance quickly, those are the ones who trouble Pacquiao.

Where does this theory that slick boxers trouble Pacquiao come from? Based on what fight?

Relatively speaking Ledwaba was one of the slickest boxers Pacquiao faced since he met up with Roach, if not the slickest. It was also one of his easiest wins.
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Good point.

PH|LLA · Nov 17, 2009

BigReg said: ↑

Good point.
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exactly. Pacquiao would have no trouble with slick fighters. At least there's nothing to indicate that.

JoeAverage · Nov 17, 2009

PH|LLA said: ↑

I agree that Toney is the definition of slick. A fighter who can plant his feet and make his opponent miss using slight upper body movements and then counter right away as if in one motion. I don't consider Spinks slick at all, and Dawson is half-half while a guy like Berto can be quite slick too. And obviously PBF can be very slick.

My point however is that there is no indication that slick fighters trouble Pacquiao. Technically sound fighters with a good guard (especially up the middle), good footwork, and the ability to create distance quickly, those are the ones who trouble Pacquiao.

Where does this theory that slick boxers trouble Pacquiao come from? Based on what fight?

Relatively speaking Ledwaba was one of the slickest boxers Pacquiao faced since he met up with Roach, if not the slickest. It was also one of his easiest wins.
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I agree.

And this makes us think about fighters like Cotto (well, yeah - to some extent), Kessler, Barrera, Vitaly etc.

Dirty Bastard · Nov 17, 2009

Popkins said: ↑

In the lower weights, Pac fought:

Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez

WHY?

He could have been fighting:

Junior Jones (knocked out by Morales)
Kevin Kelley (knocked out by Barrera)
Derrick Gainer (stopped by Marquez)

Pac, Roach and Arum must have been scared of these black African-Americans hovering around the top 10 in their divisions, so they went for the Mexicans at the very top of the divisions instead! Scared!!

At the higher weights, Pac fought:

Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto

WHY?

He could have been fighting:

Nate Campbell (big money household name who has never been KO'd by Robbie Peden, and who was on a long run of big wins when Pac was around)

Joan Guzman (another big money household name who has an outstanding big name big win resume that would make Oscar, Hatton or Cotto blush)

Timothy Bradley (another global megastar who brings the money, the belts, and the accomplishments with him to the table)

Conclusion: At the weights Pac fought at, if he wanted the best opponents and the biggest money, he would not have fought Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, he would have fought Jones, Gainer, Kelley, Campbell, Guzman and Bradley.

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Loving the Sarcasm there!!!

Hahaha!!!

What your saying is true...but i must say i think a slick, defensive, counterpuncher will be Pac's Kryptonite!

But then again...that little guy always suprises us!

doubleplaidinum · Nov 17, 2009

latineg said: ↑

dont be scared of the curvez boyfriend :smooch

mighty fine if i do say so myself :good

and im filipino :bbb
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i ****in love curves. a nice round ass is always great. its the MASSIVE amount of cottage cheese that makes me want to puke all over myself.

des3995 · Nov 17, 2009

I just read this entire thread.....all 16 pages........ What a **** storm.

SAS2 · Nov 17, 2009

what a stupid ass thread...wait what am I doing here...

the_what · Nov 17, 2009

Derrick "Smoke" Gainer was a bad man.

He was to Roy Jones what Ellerbe is to Mayweather today.

Farmboxer · Nov 17, 2009

Pac fought the best. Void refused to fight Pac. Void refused to fight Cotto, Margarito, Mosely. Pac would have fought Void instead of Cotto, but Void refused. Void is void.

unclepaulie · Nov 17, 2009

Popkins said: ↑

In the lower weights, Pac fought:

Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez

WHY?

He could have been fighting:

Junior Jones (knocked out by Morales)
Kevin Kelley (knocked out by Barrera)
Derrick Gainer (stopped by Marquez)

Pac, Roach and Arum must have been scared of these black African-Americans hovering around the top 10 in their divisions, so they went for the Mexicans at the very top of the divisions instead! Scared!!

At the higher weights, Pac fought:

Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto

WHY?

He could have been fighting:

Nate Campbell (big money household name who has never been KO'd by Robbie Peden, and who was on a long run of big wins when Pac was around)

Joan Guzman (another big money household name who has an outstanding big name big win resume that would make Oscar, Hatton or Cotto blush)

Timothy Bradley (another global megastar who brings the money, the belts, and the accomplishments with him to the table)

Conclusion: At the weights Pac fought at, if he wanted the best opponents and the biggest money, he would not have fought Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, he would have fought Jones, Gainer, Kelley, Campbell, Guzman and Bradley.

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just because it still makes me laugh.

Great post by the way.

Farmboxer · Nov 17, 2009

Void is void.

megadeth12 · Nov 17, 2009

good post TS. Team Pac really ducked classless and slick black fighters....

Farmboxer · Nov 17, 2009

What is Void, chopped liver? Void refused to fight Pac. Roach tried like Hell to get Void into the ring, but Void refused. Void also refused to fight Pac, Mosely, Cotto, Margarito and who knows who else.

Void wants to fight Christy Martin next.

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