Pacquiao and the deep end of the hall of fame

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's also an all time great middleweight. Is there a former bantamweight title-holder that you thinks beats him?



    Is there an ex-bantamweight title-holder you think beats him?



    Is there an ex-bantamweigh ti...you get the point.
     
  2. gatorbama

    gatorbama Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im just curious, why is it that if someone speaks bad about PAC it automatically makes you a floydette? Especially when floyd wasnt even mentioned. Hell what if you dont like floyd either. This question goes both ways....
     
  3. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George Foreman destroys Pac too!
     
  4. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Well by todays logic the most popular fighter is hall of fame worthy and best P4P . 10 divisons 7 titles huh .So then part time divisions are included then ? I can agree Manny being top 50 but to 20 really who does he really rank above ??
     
  5. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a Pac fan, but to think that Pac could hang with the top WWs of all time is f*&king ridiculous. Under 147, he's got a legitimate shot. Pac v Duran or Pryor would have been hellacious fights, but Pac would have come up short on both occasions, imho.
     
  6. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Thats what you get dealing with a mindless *******!:good
     
  7. ciscobox

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    :rofl
     
  8. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    I really like Pac but I hate some of his mindless 'non-boxing fan' fans who don't realize how incredibly flawed he is as a "boxer".Styles make fights and boxers beat brawlers.A Morales who had been through a lot of wars already still beat him simply because he was an actual boxer.The brawler Barrera beat him twice because he is a person who possesses at least some boxing skills to complement his countering ability.But a masterclass boxer?Manny hasn't faced one,and Roach has protected him from those types(Nate Campbell).This is bigger than Mayweather.If Pacq fights slow footed Cotto again,or slow footed Margarito,then it will be very telling that he has again avoided masterclass boxers who are also slick,such as Berto or Bradley.It is not the people he is being accused of fighting,it is the stlye that he wants nothing to do with.Manny is a "boxer" who doesn't fight boxers.
     
  9. Rudyard

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    These are the stans that you're speaking about!:rofl

    I'm with...I like Pac as a fighter but its his annoying ass fans that cant seem to grasp simple logic...Manny has some of the worse fans on here...they now jack **** and come off as racists when they dont have a logical, legit point or case...See my signature.
     
  10. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    good post:good

    ring general: i hope you were joking to say that pac may have a chance against griffith cause he was gay. even NOW i'd say emille kicks all of our asses and in his prime, he'd make you his little maricon

    in general i agree with caneman. pac's accomplishments over the weight classes and consistently high level of competition, regardless of arguements of their worth at the time, make him a solid top 30. higher than that requires some convincing for me
     
  11. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    Jorodz,the Emile thing about being gay was just a way to talk a little more about and maybe inspire some research about someone falling through the cracks of history as far as these new 'fans' are concerned,thanx for mentioning him again in this thread,he was a beast.Furthermore,those in-between weight classes didn't even exist when Henry Armstrong ripped through the 'real' full weights,nor were their so many paper belts.I listed 16 welters either lifers or those who were there for a while who Manny could not have beaten.There are more welters as well who would have badly beaten Pacquiao.The minute you open up and talk about all the greats through all the weights you must realize that there is literally no room for Manny at the deep end of the hall of fame.Pacq isn't top 10 or twenty because he isn't top 40.I listed 16 welters he is not in front of and can name more and at least 10 middleweights he is not in front of as well as ten heavies he is not in front of.Pacquiao is at the ass end of top 50 at the very best,unless you don't respect boxing in which case he is number one or top 5 or something like that which is mind numbingly crazy.The ass end of top 50 is generous!
     
  12. Jorodz

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    i may not agree but this is a well thought out post. part of the issue may be different criteria for selecting greatness. it seems that you are choosing people that would beat him head to head (someone else brought this up, apologies can't remember who) and claiming they are greater. i would not put lamotta ahead of him for example on an all time list but certainly jake beats him in a fight. some of the others on your list, while h2h may win, are not locks to be higher ranked
     
  13. RING GENERAL

    RING GENERAL Ras Tafari Makonnen Full Member

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    Well Jorodz,as long as you are not going to be an ******* about it all,then I'm cool with your assesment of top 30 positioning,it's all relative.These other guys either don't know the history,have huge gaps in their knowledge of it,or just don't care and that somewhat bothers me.

    It is so disrespectful for them to brag about Manny winning awards with peoples name on it who they think Pacquiao is in front of.They probably rate Pacquiao over Frazier who presented him with his awards at the dinner recently.

    They would enjoy watching a knife fight from a safe distance.They like blood,I like the science,I just wanna see the history respected by these new people.They are decreasing Manny's fanbase with their nonsense.I for one still like Manny,but i used to preach his gospel to casual fans,now I talk about his glaring problems and how masterclass boxers would take advantage of his openings and his philosophy of offense as defense.Which is also why he is barely in the top 50.

    He would lose to a lot of non hall of fame master boxers.Emanuel Augusts would embarrass Manny and most Manny fans never heard of him!
     
  14. Jorodz

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    again, like i said before i may not agree with everything you say but fair post:good however, just because there are people that would disagree doesn't mean that they don't know boxing.

    this is a very subjective topic and all time position is not a science. there are overzealous pac fans, same as any other group. but putting his achievements into context arguments can certainly be made for high ranking.

    as for augustus, you'll find he gets a TON of respect on here. i went to the jones/calzaghe fight almost as excited to see him as the main event but i wouldn't say he embarasses manny. prime for prime, at 140, i can't pick the drunken master over the manny that destroyed hatton
     
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    At the end of the day, your opinion is worth the toilet paper I used after I do my thing in the toilet.

    However, this man's opinion matters:



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