Pacquiao Being Brutalized At Low Weights

The BIG difference with Haye and Pacquiao is that Haye has never really been proven up at HW. He has yet to fight a top 5 legit HW in his stint at that weight. I don't count Valuev as a legit comp, since frankly he's not that good. But even if you do, all Haye did in that fight was run virtually all night. So yes we can say that Haye is a small HW. Pacquiao is no Haye. In terms of performance, Pacquiao at WW is way different to Haye at HW. Pacquiao was able to toughen up and go toe to toe with one of the strongest WWs today and came out the victor, while Haye has yet to even do that at HW. The biggest chance he had, he didn't capitalize and instead ran.

But alas. I'm not gonna continue this. I've already said my piece, same as you and I don't think either of us will budge. So lets leave it at this.

 

You are quite right with this.

I think what is being missed out is this.....physically FMJ is bigger. Today, yesterday, or at any given point of thier carreer. Pac is a legit 140, Floyd a legit 147. This is facts, and Floyd simply weights more and has the dimensions (not skill but body dimension) to be natural at this weight. He has the reach, height and physique to be a REAL welterweight.

So as of March 13, 2010 Pac is not 106, hes a blown-up JWW fighting a Full-fledge WW with reach and height advantage. Not that he doesn't get credit, coz he will and he must! Not just the same if the situation was reversed. See Aguello and Pryor. Pryor won but Arguello is higher ATG.

 

As for the knockout, no it's not disregarded. It is just viewed objectively. And if you do have objective eyes you will see that Manny that time is very different from today, making it IRRELEVANT in dissecting the March 13 fight.

As you could see boxing anylist gives a lot of weight at what you did during your prime years, not when you are too green or too old. Both men are in their prime, so in analyzing you must take into consideration what both men are capable of in their prime, not when they were skinny midgets fighting for meals on their table. Floyd has amateur losses, but nobody is talking about that coz they are as irrelevant as Pacquiao losses.

Thirdly Floyd has more or less the same skill whene he was a SFW as he is as WW. Pac on the otherhand was a work in progress. His form right now is the culmination of work done thru a decade and 8 weight classes. Hence a Floyd loss at SFW will be significant, while a Pacquiao loss at Fly is not. And that is why the Morales loss and close Marquez fights are relevant to Pacquiao just as the Castillo fight is to Mayweather.

 

I ****ing hate this whole 'Natural weight' bull****.

For me your natural weight is the weight that you are peak at. Both guys are peak at 147 now, who gives a **** what they weighed 13 years ago.