Pacquiao can be another Sugar Ray Robinson...Roach

There is no Lineal title holder at 130. If there was, then Pacman would not be rated #1 by Ring. They would have the Lineal champion rated as the champion and Pacman rated #1 behind him. Notice they do not rank a champion there.

And the guy who made PBF lineal at 130 was Genaro Hernandez, not Carlos Hernandez. When PBF vacated he vacated that title. No 1 vs 2 matchup took place nor did a full unification of the titles. There is no Lineal champion at 130.

 

I will be willing to put Pacquiao around the top 10 all time greats if he does the following...

Beats:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
The winner of Joan Guzman/Humberto Soto
Jorge Linares
Edwin Valero
Chris John
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz

That would mean he is champion at flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, super featherweight, and lightweight while defeating, at minimum, 3 hall of famers (Barrera, Morales, Marquez).

 

It's tough to say what he needs to do because anything can happen to those fighters in the course of the next 4 or 5 years. If he did all of that and became the Ring champ at 135 as well, he would certainly have a case for top 10, but there could be just as strong a case that he would not be top 10. We will just have to wait and see I guess.

 

That matters, but only so much. Rememeber, guys like Duran came from really low weights to win MW titles.

I think you find a fighters Prime or Natural weight (not always the same eh?) and then see what they did outside those weights. For me thats more telling than the weight they came from.

Like with Pacman, he barely fought at Flyweight and didn't do anything there. It also has to be taken into account he was 16 at the time. Same with Duran who started at lower weights than 135, but he didn't do anything there.

I start measuring Pacman from 112 up. And I don't care that he wins by KO or decision. Decisive victories are very important though.

 

I agree, though John and Katsidis are B level guys that aren't essential.

You see this pretty clearly though Brooklyn.:good

If he did that, he'd also be without a doubt the very best of his generation in my opinion.

 

It is, I believe that Casamayor would be the worst for him, along with Diaz.

 

That list IS doable....though I think if he fights Casa too soon he could lose, and Diaz may beat him regardless.

Its when you add PBF (or Hatton) to the list that it goes from improbable to impossible.

 

Well remember, Duran started much lower than McCallum. The other parts of the fab 4 were near his division their entire careers.

 

Diaz/Pac is a good fight. Technically, a huge LW should own over Pac, but Diaz is not an impressive fighter in my opinion, so it leaves room for Pac to possibly score a win and I'd be interested in this one.

Casa may very well be getting too old and Pac's speed would be hell. Think about the Kid Diamond fight, a fight in which I thought Kid Diamond won. I think that Casa would score a KO though with a well timed counter shot, despite getting beaten.

 

:good Thats why I said if he fights Casa too soon. Not that Pacman would do this, but better to catch Casa when you're sure he is old. Very underrated fighter who may be more skilled than any fighter Pacman has fought. And if Corrales and Castillo couldn't KO him, Pacman most likely won't.

Diaz doesn't have any exceptional skill. But he is getting better and puts it all on the line. He is pretty good and I think his size is too much for Pacman, but we will see.

Hey, I asked you in the other thread, not sure you saw it. I know NOTHING about Mijares. Whats the deal there and anywhere I can see some of his fights? Edit: Just saw your answer...NM...would love to see him fight though.

PS. Just read the "Best Analysts thread" You pegged me pretty good. Still learning to analyze.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl Why would you ever want to see that?????

Mayweather would beat Pac so bad!!!! :rofl Oh it will be proven in the ring alright, proven that Pac is way too small and no where as skilled enough to deal with the Pretty Joy Boy :deal

 

I don't remember what I said, but I was giving out my assessments of everyone. I have nothing against you, so it couldn't have been a bad thing.

I think I said something along the lines of 'KG is very knowledge with rankings, historical elements, perspectives and all of the things wrapped up here, but he's not a fight analyst'. So, hope you weren't offended.

Anyway, don't become proficient with analysation unless you want to **** the average guy off, support underrated phenominal fighters that the average guy thinks is nothing and supremely annoy the classic boxing loyalists. Because, you'll see them as all wrong.

I'll tell you what man, it's not a matter of being a *****, it's just a matter of reaching a level of boxing analysation where you see them as just fighters and ignore the stigma involved, then you really start seeing all types of flaws within the highest touted fighters, even ATG level... such as how I was degrading Hagler vs. Jones.

Hagler cannot win, he'd get drilled, but that sounds arrogant.:yep