Pacquiao > Chavez

Marquez and Morales didn't need to be as explosive as Pacquiao to beat him. As for speed, Pacman is arguably faster, but Taylor was faster than Chavez and look what happened. Both Chavez and Duran were iron chinned and especially Duran he hit much harder than Manny. Duran had ko power up to middleweight. Manny can't ko past their prime welterweights. Prime Chavez beats him by UD and Duran ko's Manny worse than Marquez. Manny would have a vision of God and have a life and death experience after getting ko'd especially by Montreal Duran. He'd have a vision of his long dead dog his father ate, Pacman, and tell him he is not ready to die yet.

 

So the fast guy always wins? Because Camacho was faster. You can take a look what happened to him in my previous post right there. Timing is more important than anything else.

Pacquiao beats every offensive fighter ever? Is that what you're telling me? That because he beat Cotto and Hatton, he's going to beat arguably the most defensively sound pressure fighter of all time? The one he didn't beat was a past-it Morales, and Chavez would be much more dynamic coming forward than he was.

The fact is that Pacquiao isn't very good on the inside at all. He awkwardly shells up leaving his body exposed and doesn't know how to fight out of a crouch like a conventional swarmer.

Taylor was a much faster volume puncher with greater mass and a conventional orthodox skill-set. And he could shorten up his combinations chest to chest and actually fight on the inside. And PS, he didn't win that fight.

The one thing Manny's got is good mobility. But with Chavez's ATG head movement, he's going to have a hard time landing and avoiding the shots coming back at him. If it stays in the center, Manny can have some success turning him and mixing up his shots, but if Chavez cuts off the ring like he has so many times before, Manny is in trouble. And he's been backed up & cornered by lesser fighters.

Defense huh? You do realize you can defend while coming forward, right?

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Manny doesn't hit harder, isn't physically stronger, and even if he were, he doesn't know how to use it to bully or push back an opponent. It's not his style.

Again, answer the question of who is going to control the range, the angle, which fighter has the better opportunity to land their best punches, and which fighter can sustain and adjust as the fight continues.

You're picking the flashier guy who you like better, and offer nothing substantive about why he'd win beyond broad generalizations that don't make sense or apply.

It's about who you beat. Not how many pounds you gained. Pacquiao's an ATG, but there are plenty more accomplished. Chavez is generally on par with Pacquiao in many ways, but you're not picking based on knowledge or analysis. You like Pacquiao better.

Duran?atsch Duran is possibly one of the worst match-ups for Manny available. Seriously, watch him counter, slip, pressure, circle, one of the most complete, tenacious, durable, technically sound fighters to ever live. What Duran fights have you seen? Or what footage of Willie Pep? How much of Chavez?

It's not about nostalgia, it's about boxing. Pac is great, but there are those just as great or greater out there. Get used to the idea.

 

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How is he more skilled?

Chavez has the better defense; tighter guard, better parrying skills, better head movement, responsible offense.

Chavez has the better balance; never runs into shots, I believe never dropped in his prime, always in position to throw.

Chavez has the better punching technique, cut off a ring better, and guarded his body much better.

Chavez was past his prime against all of the fighters you've mentioned. Even though he was game against Whitaker, he's a better fighter than Manny's ever faced.

Guerrero went up 6 divisions instead of 3, does he rank higher than Chavez? Who you beat is what matters, not how many pounds you gain.

I don't even like Chavez more than Pacquiao;I'm a fan of both evenly, if anything a little moreso of Manny's. But it's plain as day Pacquiao has a hard time with him at best. Your analysis is lazy to non-existent. Go back and actually watch his career. Camacho, Haugen, Taylor, Rosario, Roger Mayweather, would all rule their respective divisions today. Chavez beat them all. Tomato cans are the last thing you can call them.

 

He was getting his **** pushed in and didn't respond to the referee. If you think it's a bull**** call, there's always the rematch not too much later.

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and Marquez never lost to him

 

Going in and out is not a fundamental skill, it's a style. He hops around better than Robinson and Hearns, he's not beating them, is he?

He's not the superior counter-puncher. That's just blatantly false. Chavez compliments his ATG head movement with accurate counters Manny doesn't use. The very best you could say is that they're even.

"Better offensively" is not a skill. Try again.

Can you actually address anything I mentioned? Better guard, parrying, head movement, balance, cutting off of the ring, more responsible offense, better punching form, guarded his body better, was less prone to counters and running into shots...? Or are you going to concede by ignoring them?

Manny was more athletic than Marquez and Morales. If being more athletic got you the win every time, boxing would be a different sport. Barrera wouldn't have beaten Hamed, Frazier wouldn't have beaten Ali, Hopkins wouldn't have beaten Tito, Duran wouldn't have beaten Leonard, Hagler wouldn't have beaten Hearns, Garcia wouldn't have beaten Khan, Tzyu wouldn't have beaten Judah, and it goes on and on. It's not an argument. If all you're going to do is say Pac wins because he's more athletic, let the thread die and stop embarassing yourself.

 

Lets not forget ring IQ... history has shown that Manny is slow to adjust

 

Jimmy McLarnin. Baby Face only won one world championship at welterweight but went from fly to welter during his career and defeated champions in pretty much every division along the way.

I actually think Manny vs McLarnin would be an interesting topic to discuss.

 

Don't forget Duran.. started at bantamweight and finished at Super Middleweight. :deal